0/10 for new Microsoft laptop

[1mPHUNit0]

Lenovo Legion or msi gt62.....to me are now the best

[Rockin Robbins]

I'm not a laptop guy at all. Desktops are the only long-term computing solution there is because each component is standardized, with dozens or hundreds of companies competing to produce that part better and cheaper.

If my GPU takes a crap I have hundreds of choices, each of which will plug in and just work. Motherboard? Same. Memory? Same. Optical Drive? Same. All components are instantly available, cheap and better quality than a laptop.

My main computer, which has had a motherboard malfunction, was built in 2007. Since then it has had three motherboards, six processors, four video cards, at least half a dozen RAM configurations.....it goes on and on. A desktop is forever rebuildable, forever reconfigurable, forever useful.

Standard practice for even a high end laptop is that all parts are proprietary, no sources available except for the OEM, and they only stock parts for a year. After that, as parts sell out they will never again be available. Your $1000 laptop becomes a boat anchor. It will NEVER be worth using in ten years, as my desktop has been.

I fix laptops. Every time I get tempted by one of those pretty things, I am reminded, by having to tell a customer that they are the proud owner of an expensive paperweight, that I don't want one. For $400 I can see having one. For the over $2000 that Microsoft wants for theirs that you can't replace an SSD, RAM, a keyboard or display panel in, no thanks. Consumer Reports says a quarter of them won't last a year.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

My main computer, which has had a motherboard malfunction, was built in 2007. Since then it has had three motherboards, six processors, four video cards, at least half a dozen RAM configurations.....it goes on and on. A desktop is forever rebuildable, forever reconfigurable, forever useful.

Counting by the above, one could say you have had not one but several desktops.

My current rig is from 2010, and has seen the gfx board replaced once. Its now about getting retired, I await my new platform in a couple of days, the order has been placed. Costs twice as much as my last two systems together, but should be fast like hell and offer all performance reserves needed to test out VR in all seriousnness. I demand it to hold together for at least 6 -7 years - as long as my old one did. Its a pure simulation and game console, nothing else.

Windows 10, here I come. Hooray. The only way to protect privacy under Windows is to maintain no privacy-relevant data and habits under Windows. Windows for gaming, Linux for everythign else. The onyl thing Microsoft can spy on, is my Steam login and the games I have. Not even my Paypal login will be used under Windows.

i7 8700K, 1080TI - fast enough for VR, eh? It should also be quite stealthy. Usually I would have stuck with my long proven method of always buying one generation behind to get a good compromise between performance and costs, but this time I decided to sin in luxury. I did it even twice this time: for the first time, and also probably the last time ever. I do not complain about the now to be retired system, I think 7 years is okay. It based on y superoslid Asus motherboard, and the almost legenadary i5 2500K, one of the best bang-for-the-buck ratios ever offered by Intel , and superb quality I think. It served me well. And it was W7, which I really liked.

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Counting by the above, one could say you have had not one but several desktops.

But I have not bought new optical drives, keyboards, mice, monitors, video cards, cases, power supplies......all the stuff you buy over when you buy a new machine. You don't really need it. Those still all work in your old machine. And it takes a lot of money to buy stuff you don't require.

I spent all my money on the core components that provide performance: motherboard, CPU, RAM. That's the difference between buying a new machine and refreshing an existing one.

You have 100% control over every single component. You only have to buy those few components you wish to upgrade. You don't have to junk the case and all those components which are still functioning perfectly well.

[Skybird]

Well, I keep quite some of my old periphals as well: monitor, printer, keyboard, mouse, external drive, modem.

CPU, motherboard, gfx, to me form the most obvious performance characteristic of a system. Replace them all, and what you deal with is a new system in my book. You may put it inside an old shell - nevertheless it is a new performer.

You change your coats - you look different, but you stay the same person. Give your coat to somebody else, put another person into your coat - and you deal with somebody who happens to look like wearing your old coat, but nevertheless is somebody totally different from yourself.

[Onkel Neal]

My only complaint on Win10 is, as you have mentioned, the telemetry and its attempts to bankrupt me through massive, unexpected updates. For the most part that's manageable through options, though I still suspect every now and then it downloads a large update secretly (my bandwidth useage can be very consistent for months and then out of the blue I get the dreaded "You have used 50% of your bandwidth" message with 25 days to go.)

Oh, and the horrible Metrosexual UI, which can be easily replaced with Classic Shell

[Skybird]

I see that Classic Shell also is avialabole for Windows 7. I wonder why? Isn't it emulating the looks of Windows 7 anyway?

What I would want, once the thing arrives next week, is the option to have shortcuts to the exes of my games on desktop, and a background slideshow of my liking/screenshots, like one used to have in W7. That, and system and option access a la Windows 7 style.

Since I will only launch games, telemetry is not that much my concern, I will reduce and supress it as much as possible and switch Cortana off, of course, and then will not mind for the remaining almost 2000 variables that Windows nevertheless phones home, even with all privacy options activated. Since nothing else will be stored on this rig and no other activity will take place on it, they cnanot violate my privacy more than to find out what games I have played and the password to my Steam account, thats all.

Actually I am a bit more worried about learnign to find what I need and want to tune in Windows 10, some things will be handled differently than in W7, I expect. I have become a lazy dog, learning new things no longer is to my liking.

Looking forward to VR, however. I have waited and did not embark on the early development kits, but with Oculus now being affordable (450 Euro in Germany with both handles), I think I have waited long enough. Now I want to see with my own eyes!

P.S. Am I the only one with a strong antipathy against these talking, voice-sensible "personal assistants"? I hate the mere idea of it, and what they show of it in TV commercials, Google and who else offers them, I find simply - ridiculous. They celebrate it as if it were the finally discovered meaning of life. To me, it simply is - ridiculous. Unneeded. Unnerving. Gimme a mouse anytime. Mouse rules. Babbletoys are like one of these gifts you may get on your birthday, and you unpack it, see what it is and you ask yourself silently "Why me?"

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Oh, and the horrible Metrosexual UI, which can be easily replaced with Classic Shell

Yes, it is ugly. I put Classic Shell on my wife's Win 10 computer and she's been mostly happy with it so far. I have her set up as a metered connection so we can choose when she downloads updates and can actually postpone them for 30 days. And she's on Spybot Anti-beacon with Microsoft data-scraping servers shut down.

All this can be undone in a minute with a rogue MS Update though, so it's only a temporary position of relative ownership of her machine.

[Rockin Robbins]

P.S. Am I the only one with a strong antipathy against these talking, voice-sensible "personal assistants"?

No Skybird. I was playing with my brother's Alexa the other day and most of the time her response is "I didn't understand what you want." She's the best of the personal assistants so that tells you what they are worth.

The only time I think they are useful is if you are driving and want to call someone without touching a cell phone. Even then the impersonal thing doesn't need to talk to you.

[Cyborg322]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

No Skybird. I was playing with my brother's Alexa the other day and most of the time her response is "I didn't understand what you want." She's the best of the personal assistants so that tells you what they are worth.

The only time I think they are useful is if you are driving and want to call someone without touching a cell phone. Even then the impersonal thing doesn't need to talk to you.

Utter nonsense !

The other day I was depressed, I told Cortana that I was suicidal. She told me I needed to speak to someone

She saved my life

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

No Skybird. I was playing with my brother's Alexa the other day and most of the time her response is "I didn't understand what you want." She's the best of the personal assistants so that tells you what they are worth.

The only time I think they are useful is if you are driving and want to call someone without touching a cell phone. Even then the impersonal thing doesn't need to talk to you.

I can understand talking navigation devices when yiour ride a car. Or the benefit for people with handicapped eyesight, i observed that myself during a trainride one year ago, an old women, almost blind, who called in a taxi for her arrival, and called someboy else to tell her the train was delayed. Okay. Disadvantage: the whole train compartment participated in her private life.

But usually: normal people? What does Cortana do for me that I van not do with greater speed and precision with a mouse? Worse: when buying something like this Amazon cylinder that was prgrammede to react to the speaking out of the magical speel "Alexa", - only to tell it to play a song, or ordering it to tell me the weather?

Hype.

Specialised purposes in clearly defined environments, okay, I can image and have read enough science ficiton to understand that there cna be imagined scneairos, when it is nic to have a tlakign compouter. But they act todfay as if private households could not live anymorte wiothout these things. As a matter of fact I find the scneairo of commanding a computer to do thre stuff I want it to do via voice, much more annoying, than to use a graphical mouse interface handled via mouse (or gestures).

The next big thing, they say. I do not see it.

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