Kaspersky, Russia, and the Antivirus Paradox

vienna · 10-12-17, 08:24 AM

So if the US declines to use Kapersky and cites security concerns as a reason, that's a smear campaign; but if RU declines to use MS products, its not a smear campaign against a software developer? Seems like a very big double standard, there. But then, again, the RU government does have a well-documented and long track record of being ethically challenged. Glass houses, pots & kettles, etc. ...

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ikalugin · 10-12-17, 08:57 AM

My point wasnt that it is wrong to refuse to use certain software for whatever potential security liabilities you may get, but about how coverage of the said refusal grew into a smear campaighn against a Russian software company, as a part of the greater witch hunt.

It almost appears that western (particularly US) mass media would post anything they could find that would demonise Russia, for example this WP publication here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/ampht...t-white-fears/
(and it's criticism here: https://irrussianality.wordpress.com...ssian-culture/)

vienna · 10-12-17, 10:05 AM

If the suit fits...

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Skybird · 10-12-17, 01:34 PM

Now lets go for those chips made in China that fill the mainboards of Americna military equipment and weapon systems.

I alwqays considered that to be a very stupid ideal. Mainboard malware infection already in th factors, was the future already years ago. I am pretty much sure that onboard drivers for mainboards and hard drives are being abused by now already by routine. Digital sleepers, so to speak.

I also think since two years that Microsofts deliberate penetration of secuirty and pirvctesphere with W10 is not only business policy, but also wanted and maybe even ordered by the US government.

It is publicly admitted NSA policy to make very computer on the planet accessible for American intel whenever that is seen as desirable. Said the back then boss of the NSA in a public hearing or before acommittee already over one year ago.

I am not surprised if the Chinese use software for Android or Russia uses such tricks as well. The question is to what degree Kaspersky actively supported and agreed to the cooperation with the Russian intel service, or had his software being hijacked or abused without his knowledge, or against his will.

Welcome to war. In the digital realm, its a hot war since many years already. I wonder how anyone could be surprised any more.

Avoid computer services that fall unde ramerican or Russian or Chinese legislation, be alarmed regarding all others. In emaisl I only write what I would not mind to also write on an open tpurist photo postcard: harmless, empty phrases, nothign that has any meaning. Thats why I write emails almost never.

Do not think for one second that TOR is safe. It makes it a little bit more time consuming and difficult for "them" to track you, but right by that you make yourself suspicious and attract even more attention. Even so-called bridge-points to enter TOR, do not provide you fall anonymity and protection. Hide yourself in background clutter, or send your info - from mouth to ear, personally. There is no safety in the digital world, so do not get your inner life exposed to it, so to speak.

Onkel Neal · 10-12-17, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Now lets go for those chips made in China that fill the mainboards of Americna military equipment and weapon systems.

I alwqays considered that to be a very stupid ideal. Mainboard malware infection already in th factors, was the future already years ago. I am pretty much sure that onboard drivers for mainboards and hard drives are being abused by now already by routine. Digital sleepers, so to speak.

Haha, I never thought about that. Interesting times ahead

ikalugin · 10-13-17, 04:01 AM

Unfortunately US is both ahead in cyberwarfare and reluctant to enter into an arms control regime of some sort.

We really need to catch up.

Skybird · 10-19-17, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Unfortunately US is both ahead in cyberwarfare and reluctant to enter into an arms control regime of some sort.

Would be a waste of ink and paper. Could not be controlled in any way. Could not be enforced - not even by own government in own country. Impossible.

10-12-17, 08:24 AM	#1
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,719 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	So if the US declines to use Kapersky and cites security concerns as a reason, that's a smear campaign; but if RU declines to use MS products, its not a smear campaign against a software developer? Seems like a very big double standard, there. But then, again, the RU government does have a well-documented and long track record of being ethically challenged. Glass houses, pots & kettles, etc. ... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

10-12-17, 08:57 AM	#2
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	My point wasnt that it is wrong to refuse to use certain software for whatever potential security liabilities you may get, but about how coverage of the said refusal grew into a smear campaighn against a Russian software company, as a part of the greater witch hunt. It almost appears that western (particularly US) mass media would post anything they could find that would demonise Russia, for example this WP publication here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/ampht...t-white-fears/ (and it's criticism here: https://irrussianality.wordpress.com...ssian-culture/) __________________ Grumpy as always.

10-12-17, 10:05 AM	#3
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,719 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	If the suit fits... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

10-12-17, 01:34 PM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,683 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Now lets go for those chips made in China that fill the mainboards of Americna military equipment and weapon systems. I alwqays considered that to be a very stupid ideal. Mainboard malware infection already in th factors, was the future already years ago. I am pretty much sure that onboard drivers for mainboards and hard drives are being abused by now already by routine. Digital sleepers, so to speak. I also think since two years that Microsofts deliberate penetration of secuirty and pirvctesphere with W10 is not only business policy, but also wanted and maybe even ordered by the US government. It is publicly admitted NSA policy to make very computer on the planet accessible for American intel whenever that is seen as desirable. Said the back then boss of the NSA in a public hearing or before acommittee already over one year ago. I am not surprised if the Chinese use software for Android or Russia uses such tricks as well. The question is to what degree Kaspersky actively supported and agreed to the cooperation with the Russian intel service, or had his software being hijacked or abused without his knowledge, or against his will. Welcome to war. In the digital realm, its a hot war since many years already. I wonder how anyone could be surprised any more. Avoid computer services that fall unde ramerican or Russian or Chinese legislation, be alarmed regarding all others. In emaisl I only write what I would not mind to also write on an open tpurist photo postcard: harmless, empty phrases, nothign that has any meaning. Thats why I write emails almost never. Do not think for one second that TOR is safe. It makes it a little bit more time consuming and difficult for "them" to track you, but right by that you make yourself suspicious and attract even more attention. Even so-called bridge-points to enter TOR, do not provide you fall anonymity and protection. Hide yourself in background clutter, or send your info - from mouth to ear, personally. There is no safety in the digital world, so do not get your inner life exposed to it, so to speak. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-13-17, 04:01 AM	#6
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Unfortunately US is both ahead in cyberwarfare and reluctant to enter into an arms control regime of some sort. We really need to catch up. __________________ Grumpy as always.