Strike on North Korea

Catfish · 10-07-17, 06:34 AM

Strange that in those so-called enlightened and modern times, there can be lunatics as state leaders abusing their citizens, and the rest of the world does not interfere or care until an international safety valve goes off. North Korea is one problem, China will be the problem.

As long as there is nationalistic pride, propaganda, hegemony and people who do not learn or are just plain dumb, there will always be wars.
It is so easy to brainwash people, or instantly raise them with a patriot complex that beats all humanity or better knowledge.
I guess humans do not deserve to develop further, and it will be a good thing when we finally have killed all of us. Only downside is the rest of planetary life will also suffer from that

Delgard · 10-07-17, 10:10 AM

I noticed that the President met over dinner with his military and security advisors the other night. I took it that some decisions were made. I doubt that those decisions were towards taking offensive actions in a noticeable way. But, defensive actions may start to occur, logistics for one. I follow news and hope to detect that.

Be nice if any others hear things to post.

Jimbuna · 10-07-17, 10:18 AM

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Analyst Raises Scenario of a China Takeover of North Korea

https://www.voanews.com/a/analyst-sc...a/4060505.html

Skybird · 10-07-17, 10:25 AM

China taking over N-korea - I could imagine that to be a bottomless money-grave. China may want to have a close look at the financial numbers of German re-unification - and Eastgermany was in a tip-top shape when the wall fell, compared to N-Korea.

I expect this scenario to calculate extraordinarily bad, financially. And this with China having brought itself into troubles with high-flying debts in the past years already, and inflatingtheir money. Something that 7, 8 years ago I did not expect: that they would needlessly repeat the same stupid mistakes the West has done.

Jimbuna · 10-07-17, 10:32 AM

I think the greatest unknown is precisely, what is China thinking and what are their intentions.

Delgard · 10-07-17, 10:42 AM

China has moved units to the long border with NK, but not enough offensively. I believe, my analytical thought, is that China will want a buffer between itself and a SK-controlled area of NK if the world's voice says that SK should have NK after a war is over.

I just see a 30-50k buffer zone that China will heavily guard. The former NK citizens in that zone will be used as very cheap labor for military projects in that zone.

Skybird · 10-07-17, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I think the greatest unknown is precisely, what is China thinking and what are their intentions.

1. Getting a foothold on the Korean peninsula.
2. Keeping their flank war-free
3. Getting rid of a certain constant annoyance named Kim
4. Keeping the Americans out for sure.
5. Strenghtening their naval-strategic position in the region, namely regarding the South Chinese Sea conflict
6. Pissing India.
7. Signaling South Korea (and Taiwan!) where their place is.

ikalugin · 10-07-17, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

China taking over N-korea - I could imagine that to be a bottomless money-grave. China may want to have a close look at the financial numbers of German re-unification - and Eastgermany was in a tip-top shape when the wall fell, compared to N-Korea.

I expect this scenario to calculate extraordinarily bad, financially. And this with China having brought itself into troubles with high-flying debts in the past years already, and inflatingtheir money. Something that 7, 8 years ago I did not expect: that they would needlessly repeat the same stupid mistakes the West has done.

China is not a liberal/democratic state, it is not obliged to invest into the region it annexes.

Skybird · 10-07-17, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin

China is not a liberal/democratic state, it is not obliged to invest into the region it annexes.

But they want to appear as a high ranking civilization. Having parts of their subordinates starving by the tens of thousands year by year, is no good self-advertising. See the shopping window rivalry between the West and East along the split-German frontline during the cold war.

ikalugin · 10-07-17, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

But they want to appear as a high ranking civilization. Having parts of their subordinates starving by the tens of thousands year by year, is no good self-advertising. See the shopping window rivalry between the West and East along the split-German frontline during the cold war.

Yet the level of Chinese rural areas is not exactly high either, so I don't see any game changing costs here.

Onkel Neal · 10-10-17, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Strange that in those so-called enlightened and modern times, there can be lunatics as state leaders abusing their citizens, and the rest of the world does not interfere or care until an international safety valve goes off. North Korea is one problem, China will be the problem.

Agreed. Agreed!

With all the protested injustices of the world, somehow we all overlook the horrible plight of people like the North Koreans. Even without a nuclear program, the civilized world should be working together to bring down that criminal regime and release the millions living there. It's a real shame.

ikalugin · 10-10-17, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Agreed. Agreed!

With all the protested injustices of the world, somehow we all overlook the horrible plight of people like the North Koreans. Even without a nuclear program, the civilized world should be working together to bring down that criminal regime and release the millions living there. It's a real shame.

Maybe the civilized world should disown it's own criminal allies first?

Delgard · 10-10-17, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin

Maybe the civilized world should disown it's own criminal allies first?

There are "criminal allies" in every land, but there are "ideals" that are basic to human rights, too. Those ideals are interpreted obviously by those that live under them, but in the case of North Korea, they are extremely crushed generation after generation.

NK soldiers are getting across the border, in small numbers, but they are tired of being hungry. First order of business is to feed them, then talk to them. NK citizens that get across the border to China, through higher disciplined NK troops, say the same thing.

The world is not perfect, but I am glad that I have rights to support American ideals. They are the best. If I thought they were no, I hope that I have the courage to go where they are better suited to me. Complaining without action is just negative. The process, to me, is to vote for the best imperfect, donate when I can, and just talk to those around me. Several good Supreme Court cases are coming up this term.

Dowly · 10-10-17, 08:30 AM

North Korea 'hackers steal US-South Korea war plans'

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Hackers from North Korea are reported to have stolen a large cache of military documents from South Korea, including a plan to assassinate North Korea's leader Kim Jong-un.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41565281

Oops!

Delgard · 10-10-17, 08:36 AM

The rise of the internet has been very good in many ways. But, there is a dark underbelly.

NK can't afford the cost of maintaining a highly trained army, but they can afford a highly trained team of cyber warriors and strategic missile systems.

KJU, and his father before him, have a good idea of effective warfare.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,826 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	China taking over N-korea - I could imagine that to be a bottomless money-grave. China may want to have a close look at the financial numbers of German re-unification - and Eastgermany was in a tip-top shape when the wall fell, compared to N-Korea. I expect this scenario to calculate extraordinarily bad, financially. And this with China having brought itself into troubles with high-flying debts in the past years already, and inflatingtheir money. Something that 7, 8 years ago I did not expect: that they would needlessly repeat the same stupid mistakes the West has done. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,511 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I think the greatest unknown is precisely, what is China thinking and what are their intentions. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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Delgard Captain Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: AZ & DC Posts: 487 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 0	I noticed that the President met over dinner with his military and security advisors the other night. I took it that some decisions were made. I doubt that those decisions were towards taking offensive actions in a noticeable way. But, defensive actions may start to occur, logistics for one. I follow news and hope to detect that. Be nice if any others hear things to post.

10-07-17, 10:42 AM	#6
Delgard Captain Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: AZ & DC Posts: 487 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 0	China has moved units to the long border with NK, but not enough offensively. I believe, my analytical thought, is that China will want a buffer between itself and a SK-controlled area of NK if the world's voice says that SK should have NK after a war is over. I just see a 30-50k buffer zone that China will heavily guard. The former NK citizens in that zone will be used as very cheap labor for military projects in that zone.

10-10-17, 08:36 AM	#15
Delgard Captain Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: AZ & DC Posts: 487 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 0	The rise of the internet has been very good in many ways. But, there is a dark underbelly. NK can't afford the cost of maintaining a highly trained army, but they can afford a highly trained team of cyber warriors and strategic missile systems. KJU, and his father before him, have a good idea of effective warfare.