Las Vegas: 59 dead in Mandalay Bay shooting

Catfish · 10-04-17, 03:25 PM

As far as i know, you can buy all kinds of weapons, even automatic ones but then with a limited magazine. And what a blacksmith does with any weapon after you bought it is of no concern to the seller. They even give you tips of how to do it, or whom to contact for those special changes.
They also tell you how you get it through the customs, if you buy a gun in a state that has less prohibitive laws, and you want to get it home into your own state. They also give those tips to buyers from abroad.

But that should not be the question, after all they say it's not the tool but the man. The man could have used a truck and killed quite as much.
I just wonder what this shooter had in mind; what was going on in his head

mapuc · 10-04-17, 03:50 PM

I have lost count of what happened that late Sunday evening in Las Vegas. I have lost count in what have happened so far since that terrible terror attack.

Several times per day I see link from what I call non-main stream media and some link from what I call main-stream media.

It's looks like some of these non-main stream wants to make him into a Muslim.

Markus

Schroeder · 10-04-17, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

As far as i know, you can buy all kinds of weapons, even automatic ones but then with a limited magazine.

Depends on the state. In some states machine guns can be bought but I believe at a hefty tax.

em2nought · 10-04-17, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

I just wonder what this shooter had in mind; what was going on in his head

Probably all the vile false stuff the fake mainstream media has been spewing about Trump and Trump supporters for the last nine months.

Red October1984 · 10-04-17, 04:27 PM

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News is saying the shooter was using legal semi autos with "bump stocks" I didn't know such a thing existed. I cant see how such a device that turns a weapon into a full auto can be legal. I'm guessing they won't be for long.

It's not that it makes the gun full auto. Basically, it allows the gun itself to slide backwards and a spring pushes it back forwards.....and therefore into your finger.

The gun is not fully automatic as there is still one round per trigger pull, but the rate of the trigger pulls goes up substantially.

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Originally Posted by Catfish

And what a blacksmith does with any weapon after you bought it is of no concern to the seller. They even give you tips of how to do it, or whom to contact for those special changes.
They also tell you how you get it through the customs, if you buy a gun in a state that has less prohibitive laws, and you want to get it home into your own state. They also give those tips to buyers from abroad.

An honest gunsmith will do none of those things without verifying that the proper licensing and paperwork is cleared.

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But that should not be the question, after all they say it's not the tool but the man. The man could have used a truck and killed quite as much.
I just wonder what this shooter had in mind; what was going on in his head

This is true. I think it's entirely just because the American public is not educated well enough on the topic. It's very easy to say "guns are bad and scary" and play hero trying to outlaw them.

Mr Quatro · 10-04-17, 05:02 PM

Video's available to get around the laws ... I'm not kidding. It is available I've even seen stores that will teach you how to take an illegal machine gun apart and put it in your luggage and ship it anywhere ... Legal!!!

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One way to avoid registration is to lock the magazine in the rifle until the upper and lower are separated. Cross armory made this process as fast as possible with there Quick Pins. The Quick Pins allow the user to open and close the receivers in a fraction of the time it takes to pull a standard rear takedown.

Onkel Neal · 10-04-17, 06:02 PM

I'm not sure, because I don't delve into these things, but I thought it was highly illegal to convert a semi auto to a full auto. A gunsmith could be in real trouble for doing it. That's my impression. As for gimmicks and novelties like a bump stock, ban them. Lawyers can figure out but the language.

Mr Quatro · 10-04-17, 09:41 PM

You can buy the parts to make a machine gun after you put it together it is then illegal unless it was a semi-automatic to begin with and then the bump stock will pull the trigger multi times for you with just one pull.

The gun shops, that I won't provide links to, show you how to assemble and disassemble the gun (rifle or hand gun) and they sell the extra long clips too.

The employees of one shop are ex US Marines ... all legal, legal as long as it is not a functioning gun.

This confirms that we will have this blood thirsty mad man or our news screens someday:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/investigato...ry?id=50273390

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One official said he also had a camera mounted in the room, apparently to record himself.

Plus a red flag of his girlfriend having visited Dubai ... probably nothing to it, but I bet it comes up later.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/rea...8d133c0c82d8c1

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Australian girlfriend of Stephen Paddock, who killed 60 people

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Last year, Ms Danley travelled to Dubai, and appears to have visited family members there.

Rockin Robbins · 10-05-17, 02:10 AM

There seems to be a mad stampede to solve the problem of fully automatic weapons, but when's the last time such a weapon was used to kill a lot of people? Just doesn't seem to be a problem.

That's because they're terrible weapons for killing specific people. So are weapons with bump stocks. Both methods are ways to ruin any possible aim in favor of wasting a lot of ammo in any scenario where you want to shoot any specific people. Put them in the vicinity of a crowd where you don't care too much about who in particular gets it and they are in a can't miss situation.

In this case the people hiding and the like, unless they were behind armor, weren't doing themselves a bit of good. The man in the window surely wasn't aiming, but performing the much derided "spray and pray."

It's interesting that Europe, where firearms are much harder to obtain France and Britain have had their share of firearms related killing. Only the civilians were left defenseless. I'm sure that is why our perp here was spraying from a high window. Were he on the ground, someone would have been able to take some shots at him.

When it comes down to it, though, how do you protect people from a sufficiently motivated madman who doesn't care if he loses his own life? He could have tossed muriatic acid bombs, or hand grenades, driven an auto through the crowd (presently very popular in Europe).... If you want to kill people there is always a way to do it.

And does punishing the innocent really make sense? Restricting people's ability to maintain their swimming pools, or restricting the use of automobiles, or prohibiting the military from having weapons that could be used to kill people wouldn't help much. I suppose you could require all high rise buildings to have all windows bullet proof with no way to open them. That would be peachy in a fire situation, wouldn't it? And we always love to torture ourselves by being melodramatic "why has society fallen to the point where people do these terrible things." Society wasn't behind those guns, an aberrant man was behind them. How do you eliminate and prevent crazy people? I love the "well we can't fix it but shouldn't we do something" people. Sure, I think we should make puppies illegal. That would fix it. For that matter a sufficient quantity of cyanide would have killed everyone in a several block area and prevented these shootings. Makes as much sense as anything else proposed by the hand wringers.

Sufficiently motivated people who wish to kill others will always find a way, no matter how totalitarian our governments become to attempt to prevent such things. I think the answer may be to hold those people close to the killers, who were in a position to see the danger, but who chose to do nothing, as responsible as the killer for the carnage they did not prevent.

If people, instead of being afraid to say anything, were more afraid NOT to, that would fix everything, wouldn't it?

And making other people afraid makes people with power very happy.

It's a terrible tragedy, with no solutions that make any sense if we think about their bad effects. So let's just do something without thinking and be done with it.

Jimbuna · 10-05-17, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

I'm not sure, because I don't delve into these things, but I thought it was highly illegal to convert a semi auto to a full auto. A gunsmith could be in real trouble for doing it. That's my impression. As for gimmicks and novelties like a bump stock, ban them. Lawyers can figure out but the language.

What Is a Bump Stock and How Was It Used in the Las Vegas Shooting?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...vegas-gun.html

Catfish · 10-05-17, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

This vid shows all that is wrong, from do-it-yourself weapon improving to suporting illegal use, to the title "The daily shooter" (lmao!!), to a bearded, black-shirted, tattooed, black-sunglasses-wearing "patriot" with a fool's cap. Who else would you trust

Dowly · 10-05-17, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

I just wonder what this shooter had in mind; what was going on in his head

A bullet?

10-04-17, 03:25 PM	#1
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,797 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	As far as i know, you can buy all kinds of weapons, even automatic ones but then with a limited magazine. And what a blacksmith does with any weapon after you bought it is of no concern to the seller. They even give you tips of how to do it, or whom to contact for those special changes. They also tell you how you get it through the customs, if you buy a gun in a state that has less prohibitive laws, and you want to get it home into your own state. They also give those tips to buyers from abroad. But that should not be the question, after all they say it's not the tool but the man. The man could have used a truck and killed quite as much. I just wonder what this shooter had in mind; what was going on in his head __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

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Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	I'm not sure, because I don't delve into these things, but I thought it was highly illegal to convert a semi auto to a full auto. A gunsmith could be in real trouble for doing it. That's my impression. As for gimmicks and novelties like a bump stock, ban them. Lawyers can figure out but the language. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

10-05-17, 02:10 AM	#9
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	There seems to be a mad stampede to solve the problem of fully automatic weapons, but when's the last time such a weapon was used to kill a lot of people? Just doesn't seem to be a problem. That's because they're terrible weapons for killing specific people. So are weapons with bump stocks. Both methods are ways to ruin any possible aim in favor of wasting a lot of ammo in any scenario where you want to shoot any specific people. Put them in the vicinity of a crowd where you don't care too much about who in particular gets it and they are in a can't miss situation. In this case the people hiding and the like, unless they were behind armor, weren't doing themselves a bit of good. The man in the window surely wasn't aiming, but performing the much derided "spray and pray." It's interesting that Europe, where firearms are much harder to obtain France and Britain have had their share of firearms related killing. Only the civilians were left defenseless. I'm sure that is why our perp here was spraying from a high window. Were he on the ground, someone would have been able to take some shots at him. When it comes down to it, though, how do you protect people from a sufficiently motivated madman who doesn't care if he loses his own life? He could have tossed muriatic acid bombs, or hand grenades, driven an auto through the crowd (presently very popular in Europe).... If you want to kill people there is always a way to do it. And does punishing the innocent really make sense? Restricting people's ability to maintain their swimming pools, or restricting the use of automobiles, or prohibiting the military from having weapons that could be used to kill people wouldn't help much. I suppose you could require all high rise buildings to have all windows bullet proof with no way to open them. That would be peachy in a fire situation, wouldn't it? And we always love to torture ourselves by being melodramatic "why has society fallen to the point where people do these terrible things." Society wasn't behind those guns, an aberrant man was behind them. How do you eliminate and prevent crazy people? I love the "well we can't fix it but shouldn't we do something" people. Sure, I think we should make puppies illegal. That would fix it. For that matter a sufficient quantity of cyanide would have killed everyone in a several block area and prevented these shootings. Makes as much sense as anything else proposed by the hand wringers. Sufficiently motivated people who wish to kill others will always find a way, no matter how totalitarian our governments become to attempt to prevent such things. I think the answer may be to hold those people close to the killers, who were in a position to see the danger, but who chose to do nothing, as responsible as the killer for the carnage they did not prevent. If people, instead of being afraid to say anything, were more afraid NOT to, that would fix everything, wouldn't it? And making other people afraid makes people with power very happy. It's a terrible tragedy, with no solutions that make any sense if we think about their bad effects. So let's just do something without thinking and be done with it. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS Last edited by Rockin Robbins; 10-05-17 at 02:22 AM.

10-04-17, 03:50 PM	#2
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,543 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I have lost count of what happened that late Sunday evening in Las Vegas. I have lost count in what have happened so far since that terrible terror attack. Several times per day I see link from what I call non-main stream media and some link from what I call main-stream media. It's looks like some of these non-main stream wants to make him into a Muslim. Markus