Are we ever gonna get depth setting for the Mk16

Bungo_Pete · 09-10-17, 07:32 PM

Just asking.

-Pv- · 09-10-17, 08:52 PM

Does it need it? You're likely to only fire it shallow at surface targets at close range.
-Pv-

Bungo_Pete · 09-10-17, 09:52 PM

Yeah I was thinking that too,but I do remember reading in one of these threads that some mk 16's were going under ships.Also when I hit f5 I get a good idea (some what) of how deep a submarine is.I wish I could find out more info on the mk16 in relation to what extent their use was,just ships I guess.

SiegDerMaus · 09-11-17, 04:24 PM

I'd also like to get search patterns for the Mk 16. I know they were unguided, but they could run in patterns for dealing with convoys. I feel like having pattern running on them would make them actually not completely useless.

-Pv- · 09-11-17, 05:10 PM

I supposed they might have a use in a convoy of un-escorted merchants, but getting close enough and shallow enough to fire them is almost a death sentence with escorts. Hard to imagine pattern running would improve that.
This isn't WWII adversaries any more.
-Pv-

SiegDerMaus · 09-11-17, 10:32 PM

I understand that. But they did have pattern running in real life, and pattern running would make it so they weren't utterly useless the moment a target made a course change. And it would still be good for a group of ships relatively close together.

The Bandit · 09-11-17, 11:09 PM

Not sure if this was implemented yet but its also been indicated (although I can't provide the source off hand) that the Mk 16 could be fired from depths as deep as 200 ft. (vs. I believe 80 ft. for the Mk 14). Also I'm not sure if it was a rectangular track it would run or if it was just circling (which could probably be done quite easily with what's already in the game).

-Pv- · 09-11-17, 11:21 PM

I've not found a resource so far which claims this capability in this weapon.
Detailed information is scarce. Although short ranged (high by WWII standards) it had the highest explosive power of any torpedo and its hydrogen peroxide motor left very little bubble trail.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_16_torpedo
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTUS_WWII.php
http://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/We..._Torpedoes.htm
Mark 16 handbook:
https://www.amazon.com/U-S-Navy-Subm.../dp/1935700464
http://www.eugeneleeslover.com/USNAVY/CHAPTER-12-I.html
https://books.google.com/books?id=SG...k%2016&f=false

The Bandit · 09-21-17, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Pv-

I've not found a resource so far which claims this capability in this weapon.
Detailed information is scarce. Although short ranged (hight by WWII standards) it had the highest explosive power of any torpedo and its hydrogen peroxide motor left very little bubble trail.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_16_torpedo
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTUS_WWII.php
http://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/We..._Torpedoes.htm
Mark 16 handbook:
https://www.amazon.com/U-S-Navy-Subm.../dp/1935700464
http://www.eugeneleeslover.com/USNAVY/CHAPTER-12-I.html
https://books.google.com/books?id=SG...k%2016&f=false

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=231882

Basically a circle running mode is what they received sometime after the war. While its not known how many torpedoes were fitted with this, its safe to assume it was a substantial amount (or all) as the USN stopped development of a unguided pattern running torpedo in favor of equipping the Mk 16 with the feature. This could work out really well for setting up shots on surface contacts that are running scared from the Mk 37.

thereddaikon · 09-22-17, 07:37 AM

Or just use the mk45. The mk16 is obsolete and doesn't cut it in 1968 when everyone has sonar. The bubbles it gives off doesn't matter when everyone can hear it once its launched. The fact that you have to launch them shallow guarantees that it will be heard.

I enabled the mk45 through the configs and its a much better all around torpedo for 1968. It isn't perfect, the seeker is short ranged so it could be looking at a target and not detect it unless its very close, but its faster than the mk37, is homing unlike the mk16 and doesn't have to be launched at shallow depth.

I wouldn't call it mk45 easy, but its viable.

Julhelm · 09-22-17, 08:51 AM

Real men use the Mk16, though.

thereddaikon · 09-22-17, 12:03 PM

I have successfully sunk ships with the mk16 twice. The problem is once you kill the first the others are alerted and getting proper aim is nearly impossible, especially when they can detect them far enough out to dodge. I'll have to try at killing more with the mk16 but I think it will prove to be very very hard. If they didn't flee the playable area then I could stalk and pick them off but the merchants always run until they are gone.

09-10-17, 07:32 PM	#1
Bungo_Pete Medic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Santa Barbara,calif Posts: 159 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Are we ever gonna get depth setting for the Mk16 Just asking.

09-11-17, 11:09 PM	#7
The Bandit Sonar Guy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 395 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 1	Not sure if this was implemented yet but its also been indicated (although I can't provide the source off hand) that the Mk 16 could be fired from depths as deep as 200 ft. (vs. I believe 80 ft. for the Mk 14). Also I'm not sure if it was a rectangular track it would run or if it was just circling (which could probably be done quite easily with what's already in the game). __________________

09-11-17, 11:21 PM	#8
-Pv- The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,434 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I've not found a resource so far which claims this capability in this weapon. Detailed information is scarce. Although short ranged (high by WWII standards) it had the highest explosive power of any torpedo and its hydrogen peroxide motor left very little bubble trail. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_16_torpedo http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTUS_WWII.php http://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/We..._Torpedoes.htm Mark 16 handbook: https://www.amazon.com/U-S-Navy-Subm.../dp/1935700464 http://www.eugeneleeslover.com/USNAVY/CHAPTER-12-I.html https://books.google.com/books?id=SG...k%2016&f=false Last edited by -Pv-; 09-21-17 at 10:35 PM.

09-22-17, 07:37 AM	#10
thereddaikon Watch Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 22 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Or just use the mk45. The mk16 is obsolete and doesn't cut it in 1968 when everyone has sonar. The bubbles it gives off doesn't matter when everyone can hear it once its launched. The fact that you have to launch them shallow guarantees that it will be heard. I enabled the mk45 through the configs and its a much better all around torpedo for 1968. It isn't perfect, the seeker is short ranged so it could be looking at a target and not detect it unless its very close, but its faster than the mk37, is homing unlike the mk16 and doesn't have to be launched at shallow depth. I wouldn't call it mk45 easy, but its viable. Last edited by thereddaikon; 09-22-17 at 12:00 PM.

09-10-17, 08:52 PM	#2
-Pv- The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,434 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Does it need it? You're likely to only fire it shallow at surface targets at close range. -Pv-

09-10-17, 09:52 PM	#3
Bungo_Pete Medic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Santa Barbara,calif Posts: 159 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Yeah I was thinking that too,but I do remember reading in one of these threads that some mk 16's were going under ships.Also when I hit f5 I get a good idea (some what) of how deep a submarine is.I wish I could find out more info on the mk16 in relation to what extent their use was,just ships I guess.

09-11-17, 04:24 PM	#4
SiegDerMaus Edgerunner Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: United States Posts: 32 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I'd also like to get search patterns for the Mk 16. I know they were unguided, but they could run in patterns for dealing with convoys. I feel like having pattern running on them would make them actually not completely useless.

09-11-17, 05:10 PM	#5
-Pv- The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,434 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I supposed they might have a use in a convoy of un-escorted merchants, but getting close enough and shallow enough to fire them is almost a death sentence with escorts. Hard to imagine pattern running would improve that. This isn't WWII adversaries any more. -Pv-

09-11-17, 10:32 PM	#6
SiegDerMaus Edgerunner Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: United States Posts: 32 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I understand that. But they did have pattern running in real life, and pattern running would make it so they weren't utterly useless the moment a target made a course change. And it would still be good for a group of ships relatively close together.

09-22-17, 08:51 AM	#11
Julhelm Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Icy North Posts: 693 Downloads: 189 Uploads: 0	Real men use the Mk16, though.

09-22-17, 12:03 PM	#12
thereddaikon Watch Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 22 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	I have successfully sunk ships with the mk16 twice. The problem is once you kill the first the others are alerted and getting proper aim is nearly impossible, especially when they can detect them far enough out to dodge. I'll have to try at killing more with the mk16 but I think it will prove to be very very hard. If they didn't flee the playable area then I could stalk and pick them off but the merchants always run until they are gone.