[REL] "New" old unit: Queen Mary ocean liner \ troop transport (Reworked 2017 edition)

Hi,

Last remarks (I promise ! ) because I think it's important.**

The bow should be reworked as follow :

1. Your current model :

 

2. Reworked :

 

3. With the real bow :

 

4. Your current model + real bow :

 

Can you do that ?

[VonDos]

Originally Posted by Kendras

Hi,

Last remarks (I promise ! ) because I think it's important.**

The bow should be reworked as follow :

...

4. Your current model + real bow :

 

Can you do that ?

Hi mate!!

Before modify 3d model, please give an eye to this (ok, i'm confused).
This is the picture you put here as reference (blueprints are almost identical), enlarged but with blocked proportions, with my actual model (v2.01), with and without faces.



As you can see, they match almost totally.
Could be the problem solved just shifting a little up the height of line between black and white part of the hull? (UV map rework will take time, but i think this could be do).

Best regards,
Vd

[gap]

Hi VonDos, hi Kendras,

provided that the picture you want to use as template for bow shaping is a scale drawing, you should overlap it to the current model using a side view and an orthogonal projection, so to avoid any perspective distortion. I know my statement above sounds pretty obvious, but some of the pictures you have posted here during the last few days made me think that a reminder wont harm

[VonDos]

Originally Posted by gap

you should overlap it to the current model using a side view and an orthogonal projection, so to avoid any perspective distortion.

I agree

I've "sliced" bow part and overlapped with x-side view ortho (maya 2017):



Again, they match almost totally (exception for white\black paint for hull).

Best regards,
Vd

There is also another problem about the length of the ship (I've just realised) :

[VonDos]

Originally Posted by Kendras

There is also another problem about the length of the ship (I've just realised) :

...

Hi mate.
Are you sure about this draw scale?
My QM is based on original UBOAT234 model, lenght come from this. While reworking i've also tryed sh5 "huge ocean liner" (SH5's Queen Mary) model (from ubisoft), hull obj lenght was really similar:



Similar side view and orthogonal projection method.

If this is wrong and your drawn is correct, my model will be a total loss.
Best regards,
Vd

ps in every case, you can see bow design match.

Originally Posted by VonDos

Hi mate.
Are you sure about this draw scale?
My QM is based on original UBOAT234 model, lenght come from this. While reworking i've also tryed sh5 "huge ocean liner" (SH5's Queen Mary) model (from ubisoft), hull obj lenght was really similar:



Similar side view and orthogonal projection method.

If this is wrong and your drawn is correct, my model will be a total loss.

I've checked in wings3D, and your model has the correct length and width. So the problem is only about heigth, which seems correct on the SH5 model.

[gap]

Originally Posted by Kendras

There is also another problem about the length of the ship (I've just realised) :

I have compared the dimensions of VonDos' model (measured on an hull model he sent me via PM) with the real Queen Mary dimensions. Here they are:

Length overall: 312.3 / 310.7 m (+0.5%)
Length between perpendiculars: 291.9 / 294.1 m (-0.7%)
Beam: 36.2 / 36.0 m (+0.6%)
Draught: 12.9 / 11.9 m (+8.4%)

All in all, I would say that the model by VonDos gets acceptably close to Queen Marie's dimensions. The one significant discrepancy is about draught. The latter may vary depending on cargo + passengers weight; 1 meter of draft between an empty and a fully loaded ship is a big difference, but still plausible.
Talking about overall shape, though with some exceptions (see below), I think the current hull shape matches pretty well one of the construction plans I have found on the web:

 

Talking more in particular about the bow, I think its profile is pretty good, though the bullwarks might need to be lowered a bit...

 

Where in my opinion there is still a lot to be improved, is the bridge...

 

the superstrucuture in general (many corrections, too many for listing them here), and hull's stern profile, which is also totally wrong...

 

This picture shows where VonDos' model is too high :