UC3 Nautilus sunk - Peter Madsen charged with murder of journalist Kim Wall - Page 12

kraznyi_oktjabr · 08-25-17, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

I'm not going to speculate whether he killed this Japanese or not. It's up to the Danish police to figure it out. I say the same he was only 15 years old at that time 1986.

Markus

I'm not going to speculate either but that is wonderful age for school shooting. Age alone is poor defence.

Von Due · 08-25-17, 01:25 PM

One thing I'm curious about is, reading a bit about a feud between PM and the previous owner of the boat, with threats of legal actions and bizarre SMS from PM. I am a bit cautious as there is no timeline and no verification (picked it up in a tabloid paper) but perhaps some of the Danes here can fill us in on what facts around that that have emerged? The tabloid did not paint a nice picture of PM, but one of a quarrelsome headache, leading to the boat being transfered to his or a legal representative's ownership.

mapuc · 08-25-17, 04:36 PM

We should not laugh or make jokes about this awful case. There are some however, who can not stand back to create conspiracy, as a friend made us aware of. This one had seen a video on the net where these conspirators came with the following statement.

It is CIA and NASA who have set him up. Because he is too far in his space program

Markus

Von Due · 08-25-17, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

We should not laugh or make jokes about this awful case. There are some however, who can not stand back to create conspiracy, as a friend made us aware of. This one had seen a video on the net where these conspirators came with the following statement.

It is CIA and NASA who have set him up. Because he is too far in his space program

Markus

I don't think there should be a place for conspiracy theories here. This is real enough alright.

mapuc · 08-25-17, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Von Due

I don't think there should be a place for conspiracy theories here. This is real enough alright.

You are right. Was only thinking on telling you about what's going on outside Subsim and this thread.

Markus

Von Due · 08-25-17, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

You are right. Was only thinking on telling you about what's going on outside Subsim and this thread.

Markus

No worries, just me being allergic to conspiracy theories

Rockin Robbins · 08-25-17, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Not a museum worthy sub nor a internationally renowned individual that built it.

Since in Europe they cannot administer the death penalty to him, who richly deserves it, the least they can do is administer the death penalty to his submarine and take what meant most to him away.

His sub needs to be publicly scrapped and he need to be made to watch the process. They should find an excuse to extradite him to Texas, where justice would be served.

Catfish · 08-26-17, 06:52 AM

It is still possible it was an accident, and he overreacted out of panic or whatever. He still claims he is innocent.
I doubt it though.

Problem is how to prove either side.

Von Due · 08-26-17, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

It is still possible it was an accident, and he overreacted out of panic or whatever. He still claims he is innocent.
I doubt it though.

Problem is how to prove either side.

^This. Unlikely does not equal impossible.

Rockstar · 08-26-17, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

It is still possible it was an accident, and he overreacted out of panic or whatever. He still claims he is innocent.
I doubt it though.

Problem is how to prove either side.

Ive responded to a number of accidents involing fatalities and serious injury. Every one of them was a very emotional event for the living. PM on the otherhand didn't display any of the normal behavior one expects to see. No one ever just gave a thumbs up and walked away. There is something seriously wrong with that kind of behavior.

mapuc · 08-26-17, 11:05 AM

The prosecutor has demanded a full mental examination. There is two type of these mental examination. The little one and the big(full) one, which Peter have to go through

What the outcome of this examination will be I don't know-I don't think we will be told, not before after the trial and verdict.

Here in Denmark we have something called forvaringsdom =
"custody sentence" where the guilty is not sent to jail, but to a Psychological hospital.
There is also forvaring på ubestemt tid = "custody for an indefinite period".

This I'm convinced of-he will get one of these.

Markus

Rockstar · 08-26-17, 11:11 AM

Here in the States if he was found guilty of such a heinous crime he would be sent to a maximum security prison and kept in general population for as long as he lived. Which wouldn't be very long in general population.

Platapus · 08-26-17, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

It is still possible it was an accident, and he overreacted out of panic or whatever. He still claims he is innocent.
I doubt it though.

Problem is how to prove either side.

Has anyone come up with a motive that would make this premeditated?

I clearly don't have all the facts, but from what I have been reading, it leans toward a spur of the moment crime. Especially with the ineffective ways he tried to cover up the crime.

Did this guy and the lady know each other prior to this?

Dowly · 08-26-17, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Did this guy and the lady know each other prior to this?

I believe Madsen said he only knew her first name.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 08-26-17, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

What the outcome of this examination will be I don't know-I don't think we will be told, not before after the trial and verdict.

How could results not be published? Ofcourse details may not become public but atleast level of sanity will be.

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Originally Posted by mapuc

This I'm convinced of-he will get one of these.

Markus

May I ask why you are so convinced? Human can be extraordinally cruel toward another human or animal without being insane.

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Has anyone come up with a motive that would make this premeditated?

I don't know Danish law but here in Finland premeditation is only one of four conditions where homicide become mureder. These are:
1) if homicide is premeditated
2) or made in unusually cruel or tenacious way
3) or method causes serious danger to public
4) or if victim is public servant performing his official duties in maintaining public order or safety, or other official duty
In addition to any of these conditions crime must also be generally aggravated. These are directly from Finnish Crime Code 19.12.1889/39 2 § (21.4.1995/578) although my translation may not be sufficiently accurate to capture all nuances of matter.

08-26-17, 06:52 AM	#173
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,804 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	It is still possible it was an accident, and he overreacted out of panic or whatever. He still claims he is innocent. I doubt it though. Problem is how to prove either side. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

08-25-17, 01:25 PM	#167
Von Due Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,690 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	One thing I'm curious about is, reading a bit about a feud between PM and the previous owner of the boat, with threats of legal actions and bizarre SMS from PM. I am a bit cautious as there is no timeline and no verification (picked it up in a tabloid paper) but perhaps some of the Danes here can fill us in on what facts around that that have emerged? The tabloid did not paint a nice picture of PM, but one of a quarrelsome headache, leading to the boat being transfered to his or a legal representative's ownership.

08-25-17, 04:36 PM	#168
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,568 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	We should not laugh or make jokes about this awful case. There are some however, who can not stand back to create conspiracy, as a friend made us aware of. This one had seen a video on the net where these conspirators came with the following statement. It is CIA and NASA who have set him up. Because he is too far in his space program Markus

08-26-17, 11:05 AM	#176
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,568 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	The prosecutor has demanded a full mental examination. There is two type of these mental examination. The little one and the big(full) one, which Peter have to go through What the outcome of this examination will be I don't know-I don't think we will be told, not before after the trial and verdict. Here in Denmark we have something called forvaringsdom = "custody sentence" where the guilty is not sent to jail, but to a Psychological hospital. There is also forvaring på ubestemt tid = "custody for an indefinite period". This I'm convinced of-he will get one of these. Markus

08-26-17, 11:11 AM	#177
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Here in the States if he was found guilty of such a heinous crime he would be sent to a maximum security prison and kept in general population for as long as he lived. Which wouldn't be very long in general population.