My 688 must have a squeek

Tinman764 · 06-19-17, 05:56 AM

I try to start at 5 or 10knts.

I noticed something else - I was hovering just below a very strong layer just now hunting an Alpha who was also below the layer.

We fired, I bumped up through the layer expecting the Alpha and his torps to lose contact with me. Nope, they ploughed straight through into me.

06-19-17, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinman764

I try to start at 5 or 10knts.

I noticed something else - I was hovering just below a very strong layer just now hunting an Alpha who was also below the layer.

We fired, I bumped up through the layer expecting the Alpha and his torps to lose contact with me. Nope, they ploughed straight through into me.

At what distance?
And how fast where you doing this?
A layer is no magic shield that protects you all the time, but it sure can help.

I agree though, the enemy always finds you even if you do your utmost to prevent this - and that really has to change.

Tinman764 · 06-19-17, 06:57 AM

Yep, I always keep the speed set to 1/3rd when I'm trying to build a solution and I picked up his torps a long way out - it's possible that they might have been ship or air dropped from something I didn't pick up, I guess. In which case putting myself above the layer would have only made things worse.

FPSchazly · 06-19-17, 07:17 AM

At 1/3rd, you have a pretty low bearing rate so it will take longer to build a solution. You have to keep a watch for the contact's ability to hear you in the signatures screen. If their sensors are below 10 dB, you can go faster and they won't pick you up. It is possible there are airplanes or helos nearby that are seeing you.

To quote ramjb here, to be stealthy doesn't mean being slow:

Tinman764 · 06-19-17, 08:05 AM

That's a great video!

CowabungaKid89 · 07-01-17, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by FPSchazly

At 1/3rd, you have a pretty low bearing rate so it will take longer to build a solution. You have to keep a watch for the contact's ability to hear you in the signatures screen. If their sensors are below 10 dB, you can go faster and they won't pick you up. It is possible there are airplanes or helos nearby that are seeing you.

To quote ramjb here, to be stealthy doesn't mean being slow:

Thank you for posting this. Since it came up in the video: what I think really needs fixing ASAP is that this magic value of 10 on active is something I had to look up on forums. Such information should be available in game, preferably in a tutorial. Players should never have to rummage around in game files or forums to get such crucial information.

Tinman764 · 07-02-17, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CowabungaKid89

Thank you for posting this. Since it came up in the video: what I think really needs fixing ASAP is that this magic value of 10 on active is something I had to look up on forums. Such information should be available in game, preferably in a tutorial. Players should never have to rummage around in game files or forums to get such crucial information.

I agree. It was the same video you linked that helped me out too.

I think maybe changing the numbers to a more descriptive (and hopefully immersive) system like detection levels of "unlikely" "probable" "likely" etc... would be good?

PL_Harpoon · 07-02-17, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinman764

I think maybe changing the numbers to a more descriptive (and hopefully immersive) system like detection levels of "unlikely" "probable" "likely" etc... would be good?

Actually, I think that's a very good idea. Especially if for example a level of "almost certain" would be equivalent to current 8 to 12.
I'd keep the numbers for ownship data though as the crew knows exactly the parameters of their own sonar.

PL_Harpoon · 06-19-17, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

At what distance?
And how fast where you doing this?
A layer is no magic shield that protects you all the time, but it sure can help.

I agree though, the enemy always finds you even if you do your utmost to prevent this - and that really has to change.

It's strange cause I don't have that experience at all.
I believe that at the start of the engagement, if you don't choose to close in the game will put you at a distance at which either you can detect them or they can detect you. So if the sea is really noisy you can start the engagement inside their active sonar range. But in perfect conditions you can start as far as 30 KYDS(@devs - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here)

Tinman764 · 06-19-17, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by PL_Harpoon

It's strange cause I don't have that experience at all.
I believe that at the start of the engagement, if you don't choose to close in the game will put you at a distance at which either you can detect them or they can detect you. So if the sea is really noisy you can start the engagement inside their active sonar range. But in perfect conditions you can start as far as 30 KYDS(@devs - feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here)

There is an option to change the games distance scale from 1/2 (the default) to 1/1. I had changed this and was getting picked up on the enemy active as soon as I started each time.
I've changed this back to the default and it is exactly how you describe - much more managable.

I'm pretty sure this is a bug.

PL_Harpoon · 06-19-17, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Tinman764

There is an option to change the games distance scale from 1/2 (the default) to 1/1. I had changed this and was getting picked up on the enemy active as soon as I started each time.
I've changed this back to the default and it is exactly how you describe - much more managable.

I'm pretty sure this is a bug.

The thing is, changing the game to 1:1 was literally the first thing I did after launching the game and I haven't touched that button since then.

Tinman764 · 06-19-17, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PL_Harpoon

The thing is, changing the game to 1:1 was literally the first thing I did after launching the game and I haven't touched that button since then.

Hmm.. Strange. It was the first thing I did too and I've had nothing but frustration trying to play it.
I changed it back to the default and it's *almost* too easy now.

PL_Harpoon · 06-19-17, 09:56 AM

There's one other thing though. Some missions (TLAM strike, seal insertion) have fixed starting position. That's where I have problems too and I think this actually is a bug. All the normal engagements seem fine to me.

cj95 · 06-19-17, 08:01 PM

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Hmm.. Strange. It was the first thing I did too and I've had nothing but frustration trying to play it.
I changed it back to the default and it's *almost* too easy now.

Other than the changes in detection, do you find any downsides to the 1:2 ratio?

Its also pretty much the first thing I changed, but am wondering actually what it does now.

Arcade unrealistic?

ollie1983 · 06-22-17, 03:03 PM

Err, you say you go to silent running and begin 'beaming' the enemy?

You mean active sonar?

Don't use it. It just shows everyone your position unless they are close- probably 15kyds or less.

Stay at 5-10 knots, move in one direction, then another and rely on passive sonar and towed array.

Avoid making very acute course changes or depth changes as it would degrade tower array performance.

Change depth slowly and with the planes only.

I can kill enemy subs without them ever knowing the direction it was fired from.

06-19-17, 07:17 AM	#4
FPSchazly Good Hunting! Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Beantown Posts: 776 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 1	At 1/3rd, you have a pretty low bearing rate so it will take longer to build a solution. You have to keep a watch for the contact's ability to hear you in the signatures screen. If their sensors are below 10 dB, you can go faster and they won't pick you up. It is possible there are airplanes or helos nearby that are seeing you. To quote ramjb here, to be stealthy doesn't mean being slow: __________________ Your friendly neighborhood modern submarine YouTuber. My videos: Exclusive Look at Modern Naval Warfare! Dangerous Waters Liu Doctrine (LwAmi Learn to play Dangerous Waters

06-19-17, 05:56 AM	#1
Tinman764 Chief Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: U-32's Wintergarten Posts: 325 Downloads: 182 Uploads: 0	I try to start at 5 or 10knts. I noticed something else - I was hovering just below a very strong layer just now hunting an Alpha who was also below the layer. We fired, I bumped up through the layer expecting the Alpha and his torps to lose contact with me. Nope, they ploughed straight through into me.

06-19-17, 06:57 AM	#3
Tinman764 Chief Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: U-32's Wintergarten Posts: 325 Downloads: 182 Uploads: 0	Yep, I always keep the speed set to 1/3rd when I'm trying to build a solution and I picked up his torps a long way out - it's possible that they might have been ship or air dropped from something I didn't pick up, I guess. In which case putting myself above the layer would have only made things worse.

06-19-17, 08:05 AM	#5
Tinman764 Chief Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: U-32's Wintergarten Posts: 325 Downloads: 182 Uploads: 0	That's a great video!

06-19-17, 09:56 AM	#13
PL_Harpoon Engineer Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 210 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 4	There's one other thing though. Some missions (TLAM strike, seal insertion) have fixed starting position. That's where I have problems too and I think this actually is a bug. All the normal engagements seem fine to me.

06-22-17, 03:03 PM	#15
ollie1983 Sailor man Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 45 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Err, you say you go to silent running and begin 'beaming' the enemy? You mean active sonar? Don't use it. It just shows everyone your position unless they are close- probably 15kyds or less. Stay at 5-10 knots, move in one direction, then another and rely on passive sonar and towed array. Avoid making very acute course changes or depth changes as it would degrade tower array performance. Change depth slowly and with the planes only. I can kill enemy subs without them ever knowing the direction it was fired from.