'Top Republican hit' in multiple shooting - Page 2

Platapus · 06-15-17, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Apparently a crazy Bernie supporter. I guess the violent rhetoric of the left has finally produced the desired result.

You seem relieved, perhaps even happy that you can trace this crime back to a political position that you don't agree with.

Is the political history of this criminal really the most important factor in this tragedy in your viewpoint?

vienna · 06-15-17, 06:01 PM

Anyone else notice some of the people who are posting outrage over the attack and are decrying the use of a violent act to affect politics are some of the same people who blithely and glibly have made posts in other threads about a call to arms, a 'civil war', if the current administration is ousted, some even to the point of describing the arm and munitions to be used?...

I'm not saying ... I'm just saying...

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August · 06-15-17, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

You seem relieved, perhaps even happy that you can trace this crime back to a political position that you don't agree with.

I do? Well you know what they say about assumptions Platapus...

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Is the political history of this criminal really the most important factor in this tragedy in your viewpoint?

It is if you want to prevent a repetition of it. The Democrats and their allies have been using increasingly disparaging and violent rhetoric against Republicans (any anyone else who doesn't support them) ever since the election and it appears that it drove one of their supporters to act it out. Who knows how many more just like him there are out there? I think it's time to call them on it before this incident becomes remembered as the opening shots of a second American civil war.

vienna · 06-15-17, 06:38 PM

...I'm not saying ... I'm just saying...

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vienna · 06-15-17, 06:56 PM

This was posted today:

Whose Violence? --

https://jacobinmag.com/2017/06/steve...ernie-sanders/

Some will, no doubt, point out Jacobin is a left-wing magazine: freely admitted, but if you're going to argue, argue the facts in the article, not the source...

...and as far as inciting or encouraging violence...well...:

Trump’s History of Encouraging Violence --

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100...-violence.html

NOTE: The article was published 16 March 2016, eight months before the election; I'm pretty sure if there an update, the video would be longer...

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August · 06-15-17, 06:58 PM

Here's an interesting article on the subject. Of course it's from Fox so that means it's wrong according to some here but take it as you wish:

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Steve Scalise shooting: Political 'intensity' at town halls and beyond rising for months

By Zoe Szathmary Published June 15, 2017 Fox News

Police investigate a shooting scene after a gunman opened fire on Republican members of Congress during a baseball practice near Washington in Alexandria, Virginia, June 14, 2017. REUTERS/Joshua Roberts - RTS171TN

The shooting Wednesday of House Majority Whip Steve Scalise and four others was a shock to the nation.
But to an extent, it was also the latest -- and by far the most violent -- manifestation of hostility in American politics. The suspect was a Bernie Sanders supporter with deep anti-Trump views.
Lawmakers said afterward that hateful rhetoric has been on the rise on both sides, and needs to cool.
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said Wednesday that in the age of Trump, it is particularly pronounced on the left: "The intensity on the left is very real," he told Fox News.
No matter the cause or culprit, it's undeniable the intensity has been building, especially since last year's presidential election:

u crank · 06-16-17, 06:25 AM

Pretty good article in WSJ by Peggy Noonan.

This really caught my attention...

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That’s what we’re doing now, exciting the unstable—not only with images but with words, and on every platform. It’s all too hot and revved up. This week we had a tragedy. If we don’t cool things down, we’ll have more.

And this I could not agree with more.

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We have been seeing a generation of media figures cratering under the historical pressure of Donald Trump.

By indulging their and their audience’s rage, they spread the rage. They celebrate themselves as brave for this. They stood up to the man, they spoke truth to power. But what courage, really, does that take? Their audiences love it. Their base loves it, their demo loves it, their bosses love it. Their numbers go up. They get a better contract. This isn’t brave.

vienna · 06-16-17, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Here's an interesting article on the subject. Of course it's from Fox so that means it's wrong according to some here but take it as you wish:

Is that the same Fox News that just acknowledged they have dropped the motto, "Fair And Balanced"? Just asking...

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Onkel Neal · 06-16-17, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank

Pretty good article in WSJ by Peggy Noonan.

This really caught my attention...

And this I could not agree with more.

If think that's probably accurate. Its the business of egging on a fight for gain. In in favor of backing off, cooling down, and remembering its really better to focus on our positive shared interests.

Catfish · 06-16-17, 12:31 PM

Agreed, if e.g. i want to cool down i do not watch or read US media at all for a few days. Helps a lot

Rockstar · 06-16-17, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Agreed, if e.g. i want to cool down i do not watch or read US media at all for a few days. Helps a lot

Preach it bruder.

Platapus · 06-17-17, 06:13 AM

The media really have to accept their responsibility in the political attitude environment.

The media is supposed to report the news, not cause it.

Onkel Neal · 06-17-17, 08:22 AM

We could all wish for trustworthy journalism, but it's really hard to know who to trust. Even NPR has thrown off any pretense of objectivity.

vienna · 06-17-17, 08:51 AM

That's why it is very often important to actually seek out reportage from a wide variety of sources; listen/read NPR? - listen/read Fox. One of the big reasons I try to get as many views on any subject is to try to maintain as much of an independent stance as possible. Once you get as many perspectives as possible, it then becomes a matter of weeding out actual fact from opinion, applying critical thinking on the resulting facts, and then using common sense to form an opinion. Being spoon-fed from just one set of viewpoints really doesn't give you a full appreciation of important, complex issues or matters. Not every source is going to be 100% accurate of even truthful; if you want the truth, you have to really look for it. It is much more preferable to cogitate than regurgitate...

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Platapus · 06-17-17, 10:42 AM

And not limit one to only US news sources.

06-15-17, 06:01 PM	#17
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,718 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Anyone else notice some of the people who are posting outrage over the attack and are decrying the use of a violent act to affect politics are some of the same people who blithely and glibly have made posts in other threads about a call to arms, a 'civil war', if the current administration is ousted, some even to the point of describing the arm and munitions to be used?... I'm not saying ... I'm just saying... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

06-15-17, 06:38 PM	#19
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,718 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	...I'm not saying ... I'm just saying... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

06-15-17, 06:56 PM	#20
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,718 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	This was posted today: Whose Violence? -- https://jacobinmag.com/2017/06/steve...ernie-sanders/ Some will, no doubt, point out Jacobin is a left-wing magazine: freely admitted, but if you're going to argue, argue the facts in the article, not the source... ...and as far as inciting or encouraging violence...well...: Trump’s History of Encouraging Violence -- https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100...-violence.html NOTE: The article was published 16 March 2016, eight months before the election; I'm pretty sure if there an update, the video would be longer... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

06-16-17, 12:31 PM	#25
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,773 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Agreed, if e.g. i want to cool down i do not watch or read US media at all for a few days. Helps a lot __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

06-17-17, 06:13 AM	#27
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,379 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	The media really have to accept their responsibility in the political attitude environment. The media is supposed to report the news, not cause it. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

06-17-17, 08:22 AM	#28
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	We could all wish for trustworthy journalism, but it's really hard to know who to trust. Even NPR has thrown off any pretense of objectivity. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

06-17-17, 08:51 AM	#29
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,718 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	That's why it is very often important to actually seek out reportage from a wide variety of sources; listen/read NPR? - listen/read Fox. One of the big reasons I try to get as many views on any subject is to try to maintain as much of an independent stance as possible. Once you get as many perspectives as possible, it then becomes a matter of weeding out actual fact from opinion, applying critical thinking on the resulting facts, and then using common sense to form an opinion. Being spoon-fed from just one set of viewpoints really doesn't give you a full appreciation of important, complex issues or matters. Not every source is going to be 100% accurate of even truthful; if you want the truth, you have to really look for it. It is much more preferable to cogitate than regurgitate... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

06-17-17, 10:42 AM	#30
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,379 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	And not limit one to only US news sources. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.