What exactly are we accusing the Russians of doing concerning our election?

[Razoleg]

Yes, definitely. This is how some people have been taught in my country - if there's nobody to blame but yourself, then it's usually shifted to those pesky aliens and/or Americans. Some hard Stalin-loving commies still think that way.

Still, out of all the countries in the world I find we have the sacred task of keeping the whole thing from collapsing in on itself (because we've technically advanced so much in the business of trying to kill each other that eventually these weapons have to serve a "higher purpose" of hunting down ISIS and the like). Just like we vetoed Israel, Britain and France when they started the war against Egypt and it almost went nuclear. Just like we both pulled our forces back in Korea, because it was getting nowhere, and just like the Caribbean Missile Crisis ended with a talk, not with exchange of WMDs.

Frenemies is the right term. When SHTF I believe we'll be in the same foxhole, just like the first 2 world wars. Until then, agreed, let's make the dosh off all these shenanigans and throw piles of dung at each other. It doesn't stick, I would hope to believe.

P.S. Let's make a movie. Still love your K-19, would hope that someday my country would make one about brave US submariners (at least about those that served in the pacific), however lately it's been a giant marathon of "NKVD saves the day in 1941 by catching evil assassin ninja Nazis in Stalin's bedroom" kind of thing.

[Mr Quatro]

I have a plan ... lets only let two qualified people run for office, Republican or Democrat, male or female, white or black, that no matter which one wins America wins with them.

Don't like that plan?

Plan two ... we use the old European and still used today in some countries way of telling who has voted by dipping the right thumb into a bottle of ink, but now we add a little radioactive particles that can easily be scanned as proof that you have voted.

My earlier posting is still true they just want to prove that they are more intelligent than we are without having to resort to missiles, rockets, planes, tanks and bombs.

The problem is not going to go away ... They won't stop. They are breeding copy cats as we speak.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

I have a plan ... lets only let two qualified people run for office....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You are killing me. Where do you come up with these gut-busters? I almost wet myself. Thanks I needed a good laugh. But, lets get serious.

I have given up on qualified and would gladly settle for "not bottom of the Barrel" or "what the hell were they thinking of?"

The average random person off the street ain't looking to bad these days.

You almost had me. "qualified people" Might a well hope for a pony for my birthday while I am at it.

[Mr Quatro]

I'm glad my innocence can provide you with humor ...

I'll just turn the other cheek

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Razoleg

[...] On 30th of January 1945, S-13 Submarine of the Baltic Fleet hit and sank "Wilhelm Gustloff", which was an armed cruise ship transporting Nazi military personnel. This was the biggest, single submarine kill of all time that is yet unmatched. The Captain of said submarine was Romanian-Soviet skipper by the name of Alexander Marinesko.

Really?

[Razoleg]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Really?

Yep, really. Care to contest - write in my private messages. I eat Nazi apologists for breakfast.

[Catfish]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Wilhelm_Gustloff.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Really?

Originally Posted by Razoleg

Yep, really. Care to contest - write in my private messages. I eat Nazi apologists for breakfast.

Originally Posted by Catfish

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Wilhelm_Gustloff.

Close enough to "really" for a sig! , The vessel was armed with '2 hastily mounted' antiaircraft guns; Herr Shön's research backs it all up, http://www.feldgrau.com/WW2-Germany-Wilhelm-Gustloff-Cruise-Liner Propaganda notwithstanding. This being essentially a WWII U-boat forum ( with apologies to Cold Water buffs) Of some interest was the role of unlucky Korvettankapitän Wilhelm Zahn and his formal hearing after the fact.

Although Zahn had the highest rank on the ship, Petersen, as a merchant marine captain, had formal command of the vessel, a fact that ran counter to the sensibilities of Zahn, who was unwilling to accept Petersen's authority. At the same time, Zahn had military priorities which differed from those of civilian captain Petersen but since he did not have the legal authority to impose his decisions on the civilian captain, eventually the two men ran into conflict concerning the details of how to plot the path that Wilhelm Gustloff would take. Problems also arose between the two officers regarding the ship's speed and the taking of safety precautions related to avoiding attacks by submarines which could be present in the area at the time Zahn was drawing from his U-boat experience and was aware of British anti-submarine tactics in the Atlantic which included a minimum cruising speed limit of 15 knots for British commercial vessels, necessary to safely outrun the U-boats, and proposed this to Petersen. Petersen however was mindful of the damage the ship had sustained in an aerial bombardment the year before and did not believe that subsequent repairs to the hull were completely effective and had doubts that the ship's hull had the structural integrity to withstand the stresses imposed by the speed proposed by Zahn. He therefore insisted that the ship's speed not exceed 12 knots

Clearly not entirely a Russian submarine problem but a clear violation of chain-of- command issues which contributed mightily: at sea there can/should B only one captain. The Croation crew was of little use too. Both captains survived the sinking..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Zahn Now we can get back on thread!

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

This being essentially a WWII U-boat forum ( with apologies to Cold Water buffs)

The name is SubSim.com, not U-boat... It is a site for all sub sims.

Neal's first reviews, in December 1995, were for four games. Two of the were about U-boats, two were not. The first listed review is for Silent Service II, an American sub-in-the-Pacific game.
http://www.subsim.com/ssr/ssr_history.html
http://www.subsim.com/subsim_reviews_index.php

[vienna]

Further reports of Russian efforts to subvert US election processes:

Russian Cyber Hacks on U.S. Electoral System Far Wider Than Previously Known --

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-u-s-elections

Cyber attacks on 78% of the states is more than a little disturbing and very much worthy of investigation and remedy, unless of course, not offending the Russians and their US GOP apologists is more important than the integrity of the free and US citizens' protected right to vote...




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[August]

Originally Posted by Razoleg

Yep, really. Care to contest - write in my private messages. I eat Nazi apologists for breakfast.

Catfish is hardly a nazi apologist.

[Catfish]

^ Thanks August.

Sorry for OT, maybe better in another thread.
I admit I was not exact, Razoleg's signature is not wrong. Of course there was "Nazi" personnell plus Gestapo and their families on the Gustloff, and the ship was also armed, if poorly. As Aktbby said it was not running under a red cross, thus following international conduct of war and treaties. Marinesko did nothing wrong, the Gustloff was a legitimate target, and sinking it was not a war crime.
The thing i do not like is that the signature looks as if there had been only military "Nazi" personnell aboard. There were also around 8000 to 9000 other civilians, an estimated 5000 of them being children. Of course by war propaganda all germans are "Nazis".
So the hero sank "Nazis". Nothing more to think about?

[August]

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ Thanks August.

You're welcome but I was just stating fact. Something that this 20 post new guy might have understood for himself had he had stuck around long enough to get to know people before dropping the "n" bomb like that.

Originally Posted by Razoleg

Yep, really. Care to contest - write in my private messages. I eat Nazi apologists for breakfast.

Today I learned, Catfish is a Nazi-apologist.
I guess tomorrow I'll learn that the sun is cold, and the moon is but a giant cookie orbiting Earth... flat Earth, of course.

[Reece]

and the moon is but a giant cookie orbiting Earth

Really!! all these years I thought it was like a small planet!! shows how much I know!!