[TEC] Virus or something?

propbeanie · 05-17-17, 06:46 PM

The Amazon download used to let you download the actual package, which could then be burned to a disk. Do they still do that, or are they like Steam, and you download the installer, which then downloads and installs the game?

Is the rest of your computer OK? Just SH4 with the issue?

Sniper297 · 05-17-17, 09:24 PM

Yeah, SH4 1.5 was the only thing affected. When I bought the 1.5 patch I tried to download from the original link several times and it failed every time, then I found the link for the amazon downloader and got that instead. That worked, but instead of the usual window with the option to browse it just installed it in program files\ubisoft. Hang on, let me run a REGEDIT.

Yep, search for "silent" turns up registry keys for C:\Program Files (Win XP, no X86) etc.etc SH4.exe and S3D.exe. No files no backup, the downloader just checks the registry and installs without asking where the user wants it. After that I was able to copy the folder to three different subfolders on my F drive (SANDISK SSD) and they all ran okay until the crash/system restore.

Again this is not the first time in history, the google search turns up the same error message on several websites.

propbeanie · 05-17-17, 10:09 PM

Well, temporarily turn off the LAA, and if you're using MultiSH4, make sure you've got v2.6 of it. Copy your current Save folder just in case it works later, but delete the original (whether you have MultiSH4 or not). Run MultiSH4 again and make a new folder. Re-enable the LAA, and see if SH4 will start back up. When my install did that last time, all my error box said was "Invalid version of FileManager detected. MultiSH4 will stop - OK", so yours is definitely different, and it sounds like something is written somewhere that's pointing at a bad memory location in the game's allocation for that texture file...

Sniper297 · 05-18-17, 11:55 AM

If "LAA" has something to do with anti aliasing, I have AA and anisotropic filtering off globally, everything set for max framerates. I doubt that would be a factor if the little culprit fails on launch anyway. MultiSH4 was one of my early suspects, I eliminated that as a possible cause by testing in a virgin install that doesn't have anything in it.

Amazon downloader is probably not the cause either;

http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...t-1352632.html

That's a STEAM version with the same problem.

propbeanie · 05-18-17, 12:56 PM

LAA is that Large Address Aware thingie. Sometimes if there's changes to the executable, MultiSH4 throws an error somewhat similar to what you're getting, but I don't think that's it. The crash trashed something on you, and it may not be worth the aggravation to try to figure out what it was. If you can start with RR's SH4CMS (which I've been mis-naming lately as "Crash Management System", but it's actually "Corruption") it's relatively easy to restore, but setting it up takes some extra work beyond just a straight-up install... Chalk it up to another computer-slash-ubisoft-slash-whatever kind of problem that most likely will not have a easy resolution.

Sniper297 · 05-18-17, 01:23 PM

Windows XP media edition, 2 gigs RAM, no large address aware thingamy.

Actually the simplest way - but most time consuming - is to start over from scratch, unzip the 1.4 backup, delete the program files\ubisoft folder, replace with the original unmodified (contains no artificial sweeteners or preservatives) SH4 1.4, then hunt up the amazon thing and reinstall 1.5.

As for multiSH4, it may or may not be responsible for more frequent crashes, but since I never installed it in the original patched to 1.5 version - in fact not even on the same disk, the only place I used multiSH4 was on the F drive - it's unlikely to have affected the original in any way. In fact I never actually played the original until recent testing, back in 2007 I copied the folder to a different location before I even tried the game.

05-17-17, 06:46 PM	#1
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,117 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	The Amazon download used to let you download the actual package, which could then be burned to a disk. Do they still do that, or are they like Steam, and you download the installer, which then downloads and installs the game? Is the rest of your computer OK? Just SH4 with the issue? __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

05-17-17, 10:09 PM	#3
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,117 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	Well, temporarily turn off the LAA, and if you're using MultiSH4, make sure you've got v2.6 of it. Copy your current Save folder just in case it works later, but delete the original (whether you have MultiSH4 or not). Run MultiSH4 again and make a new folder. Re-enable the LAA, and see if SH4 will start back up. When my install did that last time, all my error box said was "Invalid version of FileManager detected. MultiSH4 will stop - OK", so yours is definitely different, and it sounds like something is written somewhere that's pointing at a bad memory location in the game's allocation for that texture file... __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

05-18-17, 12:56 PM	#5
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,117 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	LAA is that Large Address Aware thingie. Sometimes if there's changes to the executable, MultiSH4 throws an error somewhat similar to what you're getting, but I don't think that's it. The crash trashed something on you, and it may not be worth the aggravation to try to figure out what it was. If you can start with RR's SH4CMS (which I've been mis-naming lately as "Crash Management System", but it's actually "Corruption") it's relatively easy to restore, but setting it up takes some extra work beyond just a straight-up install... Chalk it up to another computer-slash-ubisoft-slash-whatever kind of problem that most likely will not have a easy resolution. __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

05-17-17, 09:24 PM	#2
Sniper297 The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Philadelphia Shipyard Brig Posts: 1,386 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 19	Yeah, SH4 1.5 was the only thing affected. When I bought the 1.5 patch I tried to download from the original link several times and it failed every time, then I found the link for the amazon downloader and got that instead. That worked, but instead of the usual window with the option to browse it just installed it in program files\ubisoft. Hang on, let me run a REGEDIT. Yep, search for "silent" turns up registry keys for C:\Program Files (Win XP, no X86) etc.etc SH4.exe and S3D.exe. No files no backup, the downloader just checks the registry and installs without asking where the user wants it. After that I was able to copy the folder to three different subfolders on my F drive (SANDISK SSD) and they all ran okay until the crash/system restore. Again this is not the first time in history, the google search turns up the same error message on several websites.

05-18-17, 11:55 AM	#4
Sniper297 The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Philadelphia Shipyard Brig Posts: 1,386 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 19	If "LAA" has something to do with anti aliasing, I have AA and anisotropic filtering off globally, everything set for max framerates. I doubt that would be a factor if the little culprit fails on launch anyway. MultiSH4 was one of my early suspects, I eliminated that as a possible cause by testing in a virgin install that doesn't have anything in it. Amazon downloader is probably not the cause either; http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...t-1352632.html That's a STEAM version with the same problem.

05-18-17, 01:23 PM	#6
Sniper297 The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Philadelphia Shipyard Brig Posts: 1,386 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 19	Windows XP media edition, 2 gigs RAM, no large address aware thingamy. Actually the simplest way - but most time consuming - is to start over from scratch, unzip the 1.4 backup, delete the program files\ubisoft folder, replace with the original unmodified (contains no artificial sweeteners or preservatives) SH4 1.4, then hunt up the amazon thing and reinstall 1.5. As for multiSH4, it may or may not be responsible for more frequent crashes, but since I never installed it in the original patched to 1.5 version - in fact not even on the same disk, the only place I used multiSH4 was on the F drive - it's unlikely to have affected the original in any way. In fact I never actually played the original until recent testing, back in 2007 I copied the folder to a different location before I even tried the game.