EU was Hitler's idea

[ValoWay]

Originally Posted by Vatis1982

Do you want my opinion as a Greek?
Well most of EU citizens believe that Greece took all their money just to spend them like a sailor of a sub after 6 months patrol.
We(citizens) believe that our governments the last 30 years took all the money that EU gave to Greece just for themselves.(half true)
Our current government tries to pay all that but without struggling all of us(citizens).
EU(Now German rule) and IMF tries to take everything now without thinking of the people.
That's why most of us believe Angela Merkel's government (especially Soible) is a heartless and cruel .....bleep.
Everybody says pay pay pay without leaving us to breathe a bit.
My opinion is that the world is again in turmoil.
When governments start to think only for money and political power a World War is imminent.Let's hope that will not happen to us too like those people 70 years ago.
We people of all the world must change the way we vote.(thinking)
First we must think what kind of world do we want to live in.
Sometimes i feel that human kind never learns the lessons of the past.

Agreed. CDU (Merkel+Schaeuble) squeeze greece dry. And yea, with faces like erdogan+trump and all that right wing riff raff talk within the eu it does seem like turmoil.

[Sophia]

Its sought of nice to read such a thread because i always thought that it was Winston Churchill who passionately promoted the idea of a kind of 'United States of Europe', which Britain would take a leading role to help create. I thought thats why there was a building named after him at the European Parliament in Strasbourg. But then again..this was just my idea after reading some few books about the Euro formation.

[August]

My money is still on Napoleon as the original EU visionary.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by August

My money is still on Napoleon as the original EU visionary.

Yeah, before he got the boot off Wellington

[August]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Yeah, before he got the boot off Wellington

England, giving continental tyrants the boot since 1067.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by August

England, giving continental tyrants the boot since 1067.

Right now we can't afford sufficient boots for the handful of soldiers remaining in our army

[Catfish]

"I have taken England with both my hands"
"Plots were hatched and rebellions, and all the duchy was ablaze with fire"
William the Conqueror was also a 'continental tyrant'
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/timelines/zp88wmn)
Since then things have been more or less stable in England, if not in the rest of the world under England's.. influence.
Of couse, from 1714 to 1837, there was a german king on the british throne, Georg Ludwig, called King George the 1st, then Elector of Hannover, was crowned King of Great Britain. The Kingdom of Hannover was then governed by the personal union for 123 years. The Welfs or Guelphs were then replaced by Queen Victoria of the House of Saxe-Coburg Gotha.. and the rest is history.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Right now we can't afford sufficient boots for the handful of soldiers remaining in our army

You mean in your British Division?

 

(b/c British Armed Forces could not deploy an Army type formation)

[August]

Originally Posted by Catfish

"I have taken England with both my hands"
"Plots were hatched and rebellions, and all the duchy was ablaze with fire"
William the Conqueror was also a 'continental tyrant'

I'd disagree. William was not a continental tyrant, at least in the class of Napoleon or hitler. He did not attempt to bring the entire content under a single economic and political system. I guess he might have tried given the ability but if we're going to count every strong man and potentate in European history who dreamt of having such power we'd probably have to name some caveman chief as the original EU visionary.

I just think Napoleon was the first to have a serious shot at pulling it off.