US Politics Thread 2016-2020 - Page 188

05-16-17, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

That looks very much like trolling. I have reported your post.

Thank you for delivering a perfect example.

Jimbuna · 05-16-17, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

That looks very much like trolling. I have reported your post.

Fair point. The comment quoted was deleted by the poster at my request earlier today.

Enough already, stay on topic as of now.

Platapus · 05-16-17, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by skidman

The most powerful nation in the world is run by an derisory amateur. And even now there are some subsimers defending him. Absolutly unbelievable and very very sad.

You are way off the mark. I don't understand how you could possibly make such a comment about our president.

He is not a derisory amateur, he is a bigly amateur. Yuge in fact.

05-16-17, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

You are way off the mark. I don't understand how you could possibly make such a comment about our president.

He is not a derisory amateur, he is a bigly amateur. Yuge in fact.

Tremendous!

Dowly · 05-16-17, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Fair point. The comment quoted was deleted by the poster at my request earlier today.

What comment is that? The one you are responding to is post #2805, in which Bilge_rat quotes Nippelspanner's post #2802, neither of which has been deleted by your request.

Do try to pay attention, Jimbuna.

em2nought · 05-16-17, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

No need to get worked up on this story, this is at most a two day story. By tomorrow the News lemmings will be onto a new "scandal".

I knew President Trump should have slapped Judge Jeanine on the butt during that interview.

em2nought · 05-16-17, 05:32 PM

With her prior permission of course so we could have then called them out for more "fake" news.

Platapus · 05-16-17, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

I blame the Democrats, they picked Hillary.

I would agree. Hillary was probably the only candidate that could possibly lose against a candidate like Trump. That is her legacy.

I often feel that if the democrats had nominated a total random citizen, that person would have won... but the same could have been said about the republicans. Pretty much anyone could have beaten Hillary, in my opinion, .. even a person like Trump.

While I disliked Hillary as a candidate and thought she was crooked, self-serving, and ill-suited for the position of PotUS, I have to confess that despite all that, I am having a hard time imagining that she would have been worse than Trump.

It was truly a race to the bottom.

The depressing part is that if history continues, 2020 will be even worse.

em2nought · 05-16-17, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

I often feel that if the democrats had nominated a total random citizen, that person would have won... but the same could have been said about the republicans. Pretty much anyone could have beaten Hillary, in my opinion, .. even a person like Trump.

Mike Rowe would have won in a true landslide

August · 05-16-17, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Von Due

I'm not going to comment on whether it was legal or illegal to share whatever he shared, simply because I have no idea about the details of what was shared. What I can say though is that, especially because it is unknown, it was unwise.

What seems clear is that the information was gotten from an allied intel organisation under agreement that the info would not be shared without the permission of the original intel organisation, as is common in that business, and if there is something that will damage the cooperation between different nations' intel, it is when trust is damaged. Regardless of legal status according to US law, this can have severe consequences on future collaboration between different nations in a time when cooperation is key to face international terrorism and organised crime.

So, right or wrong (according to US law). It was very unwise and potentially damaging to intel, US intel included.

You're making the assumption that whatever he said was classified. Don't you think that's a bit of a stretch given that nobody knows what information was allegedly shared? I mean I would agree with you if the story is true but so far I see nothing but phantoms and wishful thinking by a politically biased and hostile media organization.

WaPo claims they got the story from unidentified "former and current government officials". Apparently not a single person thought enough this apparent crisis to step forward and give the story authenticity, not one.

Also did you ever consider how a former government official could possibly know what was said in this meeting? Obviously they were not there yet that doesn't stop the post from claiming them as authorities on it.

Bilge_Rat is right, it'll be about two days before this story's lack of legs causes it to crumble like every other one has before it. Not to worry though, by then the chattering classes will have moved on to the next fake outrage.

August · 05-16-17, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

What comment is that? The one you are responding to is post #2805, in which Bilge_rat quotes Nippelspanner's post #2802, neither of which has been deleted by your request.

Do try to pay attention, Jimbuna.

Why don't you give the guy a break, he said it was late.

August · 05-16-17, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by em2nought

Mike Rowe would have won in a true landslide

I agree and if he ran as a Republican the Dem media would have demonized him just as much hysteria as they do with Trump. But this is not about individuals like him or Clinton. It's a national ideological schism that continues to widen.

Von Due · 05-16-17, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by August

You're making the assumption that whatever he said was classified. Don't you think that's a bit of a stretch given that nobody knows what information was allegedly shared? I mean I would agree with you if the story is true but so far I see nothing but phantoms and wishful thinking by a politically biased and hostile media organization.

WaPo claims they got the story from unidentified "former and current government officials". Apparently not a single person thought enough this apparent crisis to step forward and give the story authenticity, not one.

Also did you ever consider how a former government official could possibly know what was said in this meeting? Obviously they were not there yet that doesn't stop the post from claiming them as authorities on it.

Bilge_Rat is right, it'll be about two days before this story's lack of legs causes it to crumble like every other one has before it. Not to worry though, by then the chattering classes will have moved on to the next fake outrage.

To address the highlighted bits
I don't think "allegedly" fits into this. They could of course, in theory, exchange pasta recepies but neither you nor I think that is a very good theory. That information was passed on is not the question. The question is rather what sort of information and we both agree, none of us know what that info is.

Phantoms and unidentified people, in that business phantoms and unidentified people are pretty much all you and I can hope to see unless all hell breaks loose for real. Intel is not a business where people stick their heads out unless they want it chopped off, or there is nothing to gain from secrecy.

As for noone knows, well, we know there is a minimum of 2 people knowing, that's a far cry from noone. Were they alone or were there others there? 2 is the minimum but there could of course have been more than 2 there. 1 more and loose lips go a long way.

EDIT: There are Israeli reports too on how the Israelis are unhappy with this whole thing and we don't even know if the US got info from Israel.

Dowly · 05-16-17, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Why don't you give the guy a break, he said it was late.

I don't recall asking you about what comment he meant. Do correct me, if I am wrong.

GT182 · 05-16-17, 06:36 PM

Here's one thing to ponder. And I'm not naming names. I know you can figure that out.

How could you vote for and elect someone that would not and did not protect one of our Ambassadors in a foreign nation and the US personnel that were there to protect him and his staff, when US troops were able told to stand down? And then said person denies responsibility and the POTUS stands behind said person.

If you agree with , and vote for that said person then you are a bigger fool than that said person is.

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GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	Here's one thing to ponder. And I'm not naming names. I know you can figure that out. How could you vote for and elect someone that would not and did not protect one of our Ambassadors in a foreign nation and the US personnel that were there to protect him and his staff, when US troops were able told to stand down? And then said person denies responsibility and the POTUS stands behind said person. If you agree with , and vote for that said person then you are a bigger fool than that said person is. __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it.