Politics makes us mean and dumb

Skybird · 04-26-17, 06:09 AM

Steve, I am only saying that I think you simply spend a bit too much attention to somethign that you will not change anyway. Many people will continue to attribute said two quotes to Franklin, no matter what those dudes in that other forum said. It happe, you don't like it, but it happens nevertheless. Its not as if any real serious consequences are caused by this. Its harmless. it does not matter that much. No information damage has been done. Those two statements are good ones. Some say the author is named wrong, okay. So be it. i do not know - the ultimate evidence for the opposite the links you posted do not provide, too, btw. Just some people claiming somethingthign diffefebt, and hinting by wuotes from some other people that the two sentences could as well be collected from the context of words by somebody else. Just saying - I really dont want to start a fight here.

Compare this to me living in a sociocultural habitat where 99,9% of the population seriously believes that this political freak show event around them indeed is correctly attributed to what ancient Greek democracy was about - there you have a big distortion of things, and according consequences! What e call demicracy today, to the old Greeks would have appeared as tyranny! Still we call Greek the cradle of our modern poltical order!?

I think my suffering is much bigger than yours!

BTW, I do not "treasure" psychology the way you seem to think I do. Way too much stupid babbling in there, if you ask me, way too much. But not all is bad, and so some stuff I keep on mind. I have voluntarily given up this branch, and not even for one day I have ever regretted to do so - what does this tell you?

I would share your pedantry on this quoting thing if I would write an academic paper, or somethign meant for professional publishing, a book. There are academic standards and rules for correct quoting: footnotes, sources to be given and colelcted in an appendix, quoting in correct context, and so forth, not to mention: checking the copyrights. But hey, this is a bar, no university, so enjoy the jokes and the cold beer. Life can be easy.

ikalugin · 04-26-17, 06:59 AM

"The problem of the Internet is that noone verifies the origin of quotes" - Joseph Stalin.

Rockstar · 04-26-17, 09:22 AM

Ben Carson

vienna · 04-26-17, 10:23 AM

The issues of quotes brought to mind one of the most argued quotes, actually an exchange between two noted historical figures (a sort of quote on quotes):

“I Wish I Had Said That” “You Will, Oscar, You Will”

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/09/05/oscar-will/

The link gives as full a background, with citations, as one could hope, and can be found just by typing in Google the basic quote; the link, in fact, was the first one presented in the results, and there are other links on the same subject. It is ridiculously simple to source a quote on the Web; what would have taken me hours in the library pre-Web is now done in less than a few seconds. Not adequately researching a quote, or any citation, for that matter, is nowadays is more a case of either sloppiness or laziness, or both...

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Skybird · 04-26-17, 10:34 AM

Sloppiness? Laziness?

I'm guilty as charged- but I would rather not producing as many typos with my inapt speedtyping amok-hacking, for I think my posts suffer from these many typos much more than from some good quote attributed to maybe the wrong author.

Sailor Steve · 04-26-17, 11:02 AM

My apologies. My intent wasn't to derail the thread. It was originally just to point that out, something I will continue to do whenever and wherever I see it. Pedantic? Guilty. OCD? More than likely. Argumentative? Sometimes.

Still, on with the show!

vienna · 04-26-17, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Sloppiness? Laziness?

I'm guilty as charged- but I would rather not producing as many typos with my inapt speedtyping amok-hacking, for I think my posts suffer from these many typos much more than from some good quote attributed to maybe the wrong author.

Just to clarify and apologize, if necessary: my comments regarding sloppiness and laziness were not intended to be personally directed towards yourself; it was just a general observation I probably should have worded better...

Typos are not a big issue, in general. As someone whose typing skill has not progressed much beyond a rapid 'hunt and peck', I am in no position to criticize others; in an informal forum such as this, even if the typing is not of the best, as long as the idea gets across, its all good...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

My apologies. My intent wasn't to derail the thread. It was originally just to point that out, something I will continue to do whenever and wherever I see it. Pedantic? Guilty. OCD? More than likely. Argumentative? Sometimes.

Still, on with the show!

Steve, we all enjoy your OCD; it keeps us honest. Mine extends to keeping a dictionary, of some kind, either physical or digital, at hand while reading or writing, just to be sure I either fully understand the intent of a read word in its context or to be sure a word I use actually conveys the meant intent. Somehow, I rather much suspect dictionaries are not far out of your reach, also...

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04-26-17, 06:09 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,707 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Steve, I am only saying that I think you simply spend a bit too much attention to somethign that you will not change anyway. Many people will continue to attribute said two quotes to Franklin, no matter what those dudes in that other forum said. It happe, you don't like it, but it happens nevertheless. Its not as if any real serious consequences are caused by this. Its harmless. it does not matter that much. No information damage has been done. Those two statements are good ones. Some say the author is named wrong, okay. So be it. i do not know - the ultimate evidence for the opposite the links you posted do not provide, too, btw. Just some people claiming somethingthign diffefebt, and hinting by wuotes from some other people that the two sentences could as well be collected from the context of words by somebody else. Just saying - I really dont want to start a fight here. Compare this to me living in a sociocultural habitat where 99,9% of the population seriously believes that this political freak show event around them indeed is correctly attributed to what ancient Greek democracy was about - there you have a big distortion of things, and according consequences! What e call demicracy today, to the old Greeks would have appeared as tyranny! Still we call Greek the cradle of our modern poltical order!? I think my suffering is much bigger than yours! BTW, I do not "treasure" psychology the way you seem to think I do. Way too much stupid babbling in there, if you ask me, way too much. But not all is bad, and so some stuff I keep on mind. I have voluntarily given up this branch, and not even for one day I have ever regretted to do so - what does this tell you? I would share your pedantry on this quoting thing if I would write an academic paper, or somethign meant for professional publishing, a book. There are academic standards and rules for correct quoting: footnotes, sources to be given and colelcted in an appendix, quoting in correct context, and so forth, not to mention: checking the copyrights. But hey, this is a bar, no university, so enjoy the jokes and the cold beer. Life can be easy. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-26-17, 06:59 AM	#2
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	"The problem of the Internet is that noone verifies the origin of quotes" - Joseph Stalin. __________________ Grumpy as always.

04-26-17, 10:23 AM	#4
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,720 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	The issues of quotes brought to mind one of the most argued quotes, actually an exchange between two noted historical figures (a sort of quote on quotes): “I Wish I Had Said That” “You Will, Oscar, You Will” http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/09/05/oscar-will/ The link gives as full a background, with citations, as one could hope, and can be found just by typing in Google the basic quote; the link, in fact, was the first one presented in the results, and there are other links on the same subject. It is ridiculously simple to source a quote on the Web; what would have taken me hours in the library pre-Web is now done in less than a few seconds. Not adequately researching a quote, or any citation, for that matter, is nowadays is more a case of either sloppiness or laziness, or both... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

04-26-17, 10:34 AM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,707 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Sloppiness? Laziness? I'm guilty as charged- but I would rather not producing as many typos with my inapt speedtyping amok-hacking, for I think my posts suffer from these many typos much more than from some good quote attributed to maybe the wrong author. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-26-17, 11:02 AM	#6
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	My apologies. My intent wasn't to derail the thread. It was originally just to point that out, something I will continue to do whenever and wherever I see it. Pedantic? Guilty. OCD? More than likely. Argumentative? Sometimes. Still, on with the show! __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

04-26-17, 09:22 AM	#3
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Ben Carson