US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[vienna]

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[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Platapus

As long as you feel the same way every time the US vetoes measures against Israel.

I understand and agree with having permanent members on the UNSC, but I really wish the veto rule would go away. But there is no way any of the P5 will allow that.

It was an unfortunate but necessary compromise in the forming of the UNSC.

In any case The US is still pretty close to the Russians in the vetoing department

Well in all fairness I did post...

I wonder what would happen if the rule about any one veto stopping a resolution as opposed to a majority vote (5 members) was implemented.

I should imagine Russia and China would veto any move in that direction of course.

five posts after the quoted post.

[Platapus]

I noticed that post, I also noticed that the US and UK were not on that list.

I don't think any of the P5 would vote in favour of getting rid of the veto.

Makes me wonder if UNGA resolution 733 "United for Peace" would ever be invoked. I can just imagine what the US would say about that!

[vienna]

You would think, with control of Congress and the White House, voters would view the GOP as a united party...

...think again:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...divided-party/




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[August]

Interesting article. I'd say it's a pretty accurate take on Trump supporters.

Trump Has All the Right Enemies



But in an attempt to split Trump from his political base, the press will continue to create stories about how his flip-flops are costing him his most fervent supporters. And while you can always find a crank or two to quote in any article, the truth is that Trump’s base is as solid today as it was on Election Day.


Why? Because Donald Trump continues to have all the right enemies, and no flip-flops or stories of White House infighting are going to change that.
Trump’s base supporters are too busy living their lives to obsess over the outrage of the minute in Washington, D.C. They don’t follow 50 Beltway reporters on Twitter, hanging on their every snarky comment. They aren’t particularly concerned with which Trump advisers are up or down in the morning political tip sheets.

But they do follow politics closely enough to know that the press still hates Trump, as do the liberal political elites. As far as the average Trump supporter in middle America is concerned, Trump must be doing just fine.

And to make matters better for Trump, his political opposition, the hapless Democrat Party, has taken its participation-ribbon view of society to laughable lengths, celebrating the loss in a recent Kansas special election like it had won the lottery. Democrats continuously relitigate the sideshow issue of Trump’s tax returns (newsflash: This was settled by the Electoral College). And today’s battle whine? Mitch McConnell was mean to Elizabeth Warren in the hallway!


The policy news flying out Washington is head-spinning, but Trump’s political enemies are the same old collection of media properties and out-of-touch liberals. That tells Trump’s core supporters all they need to know – that the antiestablishment president they sent to Washington is doing exactly what they asked him to do. In the first 100 days, Trump has turned Washington upside down, pissing off all the right people along the way.

[vienna]

Source?...



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[ValoWay]

But surely, Trump supporters are still eagerly waiting for their promised landmark, right? At least I can't wait to visit the upcoming Great Wall of America!!

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by vienna

Source?...



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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...es_133637.html

Possibly this one?

[mapuc]

Regarding August post about Trump supporters

I have some Danish and Swedish friends on FB, who are more or less rightwing and they are somehow supporting Trump going from medium to very strong support.

Markus

[Bilge_Rat]

no sign of any weakening support among Trump's base.

Two polls out this week show his approval rating among Republicans is at 83% (Reuters) or 88% (Pew):

http://www.people-press.org/2017/04/...es-april-2017/

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/doc...13-17_2017.pdf

[Bilge_Rat]

and then you have this from pew Research which shows that most Republicans think Trump is doing better than they expected:



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.0c6a9e6ed484

so there is no sign of any wavering support for Trump among his base.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...es_133637.html

Possibly this one?

Thanks, Jim...




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[Buddahaid]

Well I'd say he's doing better than I expected, but I didn't expect much either.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

and then you have this from pew Research which shows that most Republicans think Trump is doing better than they expected:



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.0c6a9e6ed484

so there is no sign of any wavering support for Trump among his base.

In the Rep/Lean Rep and Conserv, the "Better than" is not above 40%, which just about correlates to Trump's overall approval ratings in general polling of all voters and is actually a few points higher than the approval ratings. So, once again, proof is presented that Trump is widely popular among Republicans; there's just that nagging problem that over 6 out of ten voters don't approve of Trump. I mean, its nice all those GOP party members really, really like their guy and don't mind being stuck with him, but its all a bit like saying the majority of New Yorkers like New York, even if for the greater majority of the US, they don't "♥ New York". Unfortunately for the GOP, they need more than just their own party's voters to win offices or keep seats they already hold. The total voter turnout for Tuesday's Special Congressional Election was 43% and the counties in question are very heavily Republican, yet the top vote-getter, a Democrat was able to accrue a whopging 48.1% of the total vote (which beats Trump's 46.1% in the Presidential Election, or as Stephen Colbert suggested, makes the DEM candidate eligible to be President ). The nearest GOP candidate, who will face off against the DEM candidate got only 19.78% of the total votes in a GOP field of about 11 candidates; in the runoff election in June, the DEM candidate will only have persuade a few more percent of the voters to get over the 50% and win; the GOP candidate will have to convince the 32.2% of the GOP voters who voted for any other GOP candidate who isn't her to switch their votes, or, if they really don't like her, even bother to show up in the runoff in June, plus the GOP candidate has to sway a substantial percentage of non-GOP voters to cast their votes for her; whatever 'influence' Trump seems to believe his office as President and his endorsements gives to fellow GOP candidates, the actual reality, as in so many of Trump's beliefs, strongly suggest differently...

So, its very nice the GOP really, really likes Trump, but, like the 2016 Popular Election results have shown, the rest of us, the majority of the US voters, are a long way from jumping for joy...




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