Strike on North Korea

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Agreed. We knew where he was during that stupid parade, we should have sent in a Tomahawk and knocked him out right then.

Assassinating the head of state of a sovereign country without being in a state of war?

That's not the United States I fought for.

[THE_MASK]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Assassinating the head of state of a sovereign country without being in a state of war?

That's not the United States I fought for.

The threat of Nuclear Bombs has to override everything imo .

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Assassinating the head of state of a sovereign country without being in a state of war?

That's not the United States I fought for.

He's not a legitimate head of state and NK is not a sovereign country. He's a psychotic dictator and NK is a region of oppressed slaves.

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

He's not a legitimate head of state and NK is not a sovereign country. He's a psychotic dictator and NK is a region of oppressed slaves.

Funny, by that vigilante-logic, we could almost say the same about many other countries..... The USA for example. :p

Now of course, KJU deserves a Tomahawk or two, but that's just not how it works.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Funny, by that vigilante-logic, we could almost say the same about many other countries..... The USA for example. :p

Now of course, KJU deserves a Tomahawk or two, but that's just not how it works.

Sure, that's why all the oppressed Americans are on the internet, where are the North Koreans?

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Sure, that's why all the oppressed Americans are on the internet, where are the North Koreans?

Remember what happened with Russian users.

The moment Russian users flooded the internet due to the internet becoming cheap and availiable they were labeled as state sponsored trolls.

[vienna]

...and your point is?...




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[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by vienna

...and your point is?...
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Well, it may not go as you expect.

When internet became cheap and availiable in Russia, Russian users were just disregarded as state hired trolls for having a different opinion.

Internet sort of creates those bubles of opinion. The only reason why I stay on subsim is because it is very civil.

So maybe if people of DPRK did get internet they would share the same fate - being disregarded as state hired trolls that is.

It does make me wonder though how about how hard it is to get internet access in the DPRK.

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Sure, that's why all the oppressed Americans are on the internet, where are the North Koreans?

10/10 lol.

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

They are living in a madhouse society, where they have no dreams or hope, where they see the world in a distorted way. Their news and education are skewed from reality--the brainwashing starts from the age a child can talk.

Are we still talking NK? ;D

Are you, as an American, not living in what could easily be described as a 'madhouse society'? Because that sounds like a perfect description of the US American society to me.

And what do you know about other people's hopes and dreams? I'm sure they have them too - probably just a little different then ours.
How is the western school system and media not skewed from reality?
Some countries allow home schooling, where patents are free to teach their kids that God is great and evolution is nonsense, or where kids are expected to pledge allegiance to a flag - and be alienated, in many cases, if not.

That's not any better from "our eternal leader rides unicorns", same level of nonsense, really.

Our media?
You're the Republican, you tell me how awesome our media is - and what some of us consider legit news sources these days (breitbart, lol).
And all the brainwashing we receive also starts from our earliest days, be it religion, capitalism, the sense for superiority, patriotism and other fanatic points of view.

There are many ways to define freedom and oppression, both terms are open for interpretation.
I'd argue that we westerners are also some kind of slaves and we too live in oppression, partially.
While some of us can and do escape this, the vast majority are nothing but brainwashed slaves to our systems as well.
Are we not? I sure am, to some degree, if I reflect a bit.

Did north Koreans pick the shorter straw?
No doubt they did, but we aren't much better - and if we can arbitrarily claim what leader of whatever nation is ok or not, so can Kim and his gang.

[ikalugin]

These are real people who do not deserve to live like this

Are you willing to pay for improved living conditions in the DPRK out of your own pocket?

[Onkel Neal]

Several sarcastic responses about feeding other countries came to mind but let me just say yes I would. Gladly

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Funny, by that vigilante-logic, we could almost say the same about many other countries..... The USA for example. :p

Now of course, KJU deserves a Tomahawk or two, but that's just not how it works.

The U.S. doesnt even in any way form or fashion come close to being like the DPRK. But you can thank the Russians and Chinese for this abomination they created that we call North Korea. After reading the document below I'm of the opinion the whole northern peninsula needs to be reset and quite frankly a Tomahawk or two isnt gonna be enough. As usual the U.S. will have to eventually clean up someones elses mess AGAIN and somehow we'll get blamed for it.

Summary
The present document contains the detailed findings of the commission of inquiry on human rights in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. The Commission’s principal findings and recommendations are provided in document A/HRC/25/63."

https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/...df?OpenElement



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[Von Due]

Gents, please.

"We have more internet than them so

We
Are
Right".

"Human rights", peace, freedom and democracy. Straw arguements. Really, that really is all that has ever been. Arguements void of actual meaning constructed for one purpose and one purpose alone: Stir up emotions and support for the real idea:

We
Are
Right.

Is freedom the right to have a foreign power decide who should run the store? Before you think the US never made such a decision, two words: Central America. Two more words: South America. For starters. Human rights have never, ever, been an actual topic when politics for dominance is discussed and that discussion is absolutely dab at the core of it for China, Russia and the US. Human rights is the straw arguement, the card to play, strictly for the PR guys gathering support among the public.

To say Dim Phat Kim is not the legitimate leader is silly. There is no universal rule book on who gets to rule. Guns make right and there you have your human rights in bloody bits across the fields. This is how countries have formed and leaders have appeared, with the help of swords and guns and no approval from those who lost what they used to have. NK, China, US of A, the UK, Norway, Russia, Germany, France, Italy, countries in post colonial Africa, all countries period.

How much more of the internet we have access to, "human rights", "I don't like him", none of that should ever mean

We
Are
Right.

If those ideas should be considered legitimate reasons for breaking the truce, then you just opened a big, ugly can of worms and those worms you can't easily put back in. You have then given _any_ foreign power the arguement _they_ need to launch an attack against any nation they would like to "deal with". This can of worms is truly nasty.

As for "we always get the blame", complete that sentence. "We always get the blame for nasty business we chose to get involved in". The victim card: Never leave house without a deck of victim cards.

PS: Personal opinion: NK leadership has more in common with crime syndicates when you look at what the State is involved in. A good enough reason to attack? Nope. Show me a state that has the innocence of a newborn angel kitty first for starters.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

He's not a legitimate head of state and NK is not a sovereign country. He's a psychotic dictator and NK is a region of oppressed slaves.

Slippery slope.

No wonder they want nuclear weapons to preclude 3rd party interference.

[em2nought]

Can North Korean missiles reach California if they work? It would be just terrible if they could, last thing we would ever want next to being thrown in a briar patch.