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Rockin Robbins · 03-29-17, 08:46 PM

As much as I hate it, I see Tor in my future!

ETR3(SS) · 03-29-17, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

As much as I hate it, I see Tor in my future!

I've poked around with Tor for a couple of years, used FF as my primary browser while I researched Tor. I understand the basics of how it works, but am still concerned as to what my ISP sees. Not sure if being on satellite internet makes any difference either.

Rockin Robbins · 03-30-17, 11:58 AM

In the early days of Spotify, before it crossed the Atlantic, I used Tor to tunnel through the Internet to Birmingham, UK, to pop out and look like a right proper Britisher, where I could subscribe to Spotify. Used that for three years before Spotify came to the US. I just emigrated to my local ISP across the pond and migrated my existing Spotify account.

All settings, saved playlists, login and every aspect of Spotify was preserved. Some music available in Europe didn't survive the transition, although if I go log in from Birmingham I can listen to it again.

Problem with Tor is that it is beastly slow!

Skybird · 03-30-17, 12:25 PM

Tor is counted as compromised these days, as far as I know. One has to assume that several intel services - prime candidates are USA, GBR and ISR, maybe also Russia - can read it.

I tried it some years ago, for half a year, it came at the price of really massive slow-downs. The using of it, I mean, not the decyphering.

I hated to use it. If your life depends on it, you accept such slow downs. But just for ordinary surfing: such low speeds (worse than a 56K modem back in the days...) are a bad deal.

But if your life depends on it: do not use Tor, it most likely is comrp0rmised. Simply avoid electronic communication at all. I mean, if your life depends on it, its your life you are about, right?

Rockin Robbins · 04-03-17, 11:24 AM

The cool thing about Tor is that it can be PERFECTLY secure and you still won't be. Every time you log into a site, you emerge from the shadows. On your computer, the deciphered content must appear or Tor is useless. A bad guy with sufficient knowledge can tap into the information after Tor has deciphered it for your display. Keyloggers can grab your input before Tor enciphers it.

Even if Tor is unconquered, it is still compromised because the worst piece of malware on your machine is you. Tor is a toy that is very interesting. But the EXTREME slowdowns make listening to music possible, but not much more data intensive tasks. Forget watching any video with Tor. You could download it if you don't care how long it takes, and then watch it later.

But then you have the unprotected video file on your computer, fair game for any simple malware (including Windows) to grab at will. But face it. You're probably not a target. One thing about unsecure systems is that everybody's everything is unsecure and available. You're basically hidden in a vast cloud of information, indistinguishable from anyone not specifically targeting you for other reasons entirely.

Everybody knows about the Target and Yahoo data breaches, involving billions of accounts. But not everybody knows that there have been no stories about people's money or computers being taken. Why? What was stolen could mostly be looked up in any phone book fifty years ago. We weren't worried about personal information in the phone book! We were just anonomized by the vast number of entries, rendered nothing but a "me too" among ten thousand other "me toos" nothing calling attention to any reason we should be stalked and killed.

We're way too easily offended and paranoid. The fact is we hide in plain sight and nobody cares.

Mr Quatro · 04-03-17, 01:26 PM

Why do we still love computers after they have been so bad to us all these years?

GT182 · 04-24-17, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Why do we still love computers after they have been so bad to us all these years?

Because that's our nature. We love the things that bite us in the ass.

03-29-17, 08:46 PM	#1
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	As much as I hate it, I see Tor in my future! __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

03-30-17, 11:58 AM	#3
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	In the early days of Spotify, before it crossed the Atlantic, I used Tor to tunnel through the Internet to Birmingham, UK, to pop out and look like a right proper Britisher, where I could subscribe to Spotify. Used that for three years before Spotify came to the US. I just emigrated to my local ISP across the pond and migrated my existing Spotify account. All settings, saved playlists, login and every aspect of Spotify was preserved. Some music available in Europe didn't survive the transition, although if I go log in from Birmingham I can listen to it again. Problem with Tor is that it is beastly slow! __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

03-30-17, 12:25 PM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,813 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Tor is counted as compromised these days, as far as I know. One has to assume that several intel services - prime candidates are USA, GBR and ISR, maybe also Russia - can read it. I tried it some years ago, for half a year, it came at the price of really massive slow-downs. The using of it, I mean, not the decyphering. I hated to use it. If your life depends on it, you accept such slow downs. But just for ordinary surfing: such low speeds (worse than a 56K modem back in the days...) are a bad deal. But if your life depends on it: do not use Tor, it most likely is comrp0rmised. Simply avoid electronic communication at all. I mean, if your life depends on it, its your life you are about, right? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-03-17, 11:24 AM	#5
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	The cool thing about Tor is that it can be PERFECTLY secure and you still won't be. Every time you log into a site, you emerge from the shadows. On your computer, the deciphered content must appear or Tor is useless. A bad guy with sufficient knowledge can tap into the information after Tor has deciphered it for your display. Keyloggers can grab your input before Tor enciphers it. Even if Tor is unconquered, it is still compromised because the worst piece of malware on your machine is you. Tor is a toy that is very interesting. But the EXTREME slowdowns make listening to music possible, but not much more data intensive tasks. Forget watching any video with Tor. You could download it if you don't care how long it takes, and then watch it later. But then you have the unprotected video file on your computer, fair game for any simple malware (including Windows) to grab at will. But face it. You're probably not a target. One thing about unsecure systems is that everybody's everything is unsecure and available. You're basically hidden in a vast cloud of information, indistinguishable from anyone not specifically targeting you for other reasons entirely. Everybody knows about the Target and Yahoo data breaches, involving billions of accounts. But not everybody knows that there have been no stories about people's money or computers being taken. Why? What was stolen could mostly be looked up in any phone book fifty years ago. We weren't worried about personal information in the phone book! We were just anonomized by the vast number of entries, rendered nothing but a "me too" among ten thousand other "me toos" nothing calling attention to any reason we should be stalked and killed. We're way too easily offended and paranoid. The fact is we hide in plain sight and nobody cares. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

04-03-17, 01:26 PM	#6
Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Why do we still love computers after they have been so bad to us all these years? __________________ pla•teau noun a relatively stable level, period, or condition a level of attainment or achievement Lord help me get to the next plateau ..