The all purpose terrorism thread featuring plenty of allah akbar

[eddie]

The Iraqi Army in Mosul is finding this out the hard way, the Daesh armed drones have wounded and killed Iraqi soldiers with their cheap drones. One unarmed drone will find some Iraqi soldiers standing in a group some where, then they guide the armed drone to the area, where it releases its home made bombs right into the middle of the group. Very deadly even if on a small scale compared to a Hellfire missile.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by August

As you say development continues and what was once impossible will eventually become easy. Daesh isn't going to field anything near "state of the art" but we shouldn't underestimate their ability to macgiver something lower tech and make it effective.

Originally Posted by eddie

The Iraqi Army in Mosul is finding this out the hard way, the Daesh armed drones have wounded and killed Iraqi soldiers with their cheap drones. One unarmed drone will find some Iraqi soldiers standing in a group some where, then they guide the armed drone to the area, where it releases its home made bombs right into the middle of the group. Very deadly even if on a small scale compared to a Hellfire missile.

True, I meant more in the case of a western situation, where it's harder to make the sort of improvised explosives without detection than it is in Iraq.
The sparsity of attacks in the west over the past couple of years indicates that either Daesh is not as well entrenched in the west as we'd lead ourselves to believe, or that our intelligence services are very good at identifying and preventing attacks...or (most likely) something in the middle.
That's not to discount the brutality and cost of the attacks when they do occur, but from a sheer numbers perspective, we're slaughtering them while they're just giving us paper cuts.

[eddie]

Oberon, you won't believe what a company does in China,lol A electric company has designed a flamethrower drone! They use it to clean debris that gets caught on the power lines. Like plastic bags, etc. They said it is safer then sending up a worker to clean them off by hand!

http://www.popularmechanics.com/flig...rowing-drones/

[Bilge_Rat]

So a suicide bomber attacked Iraqi forces near Mosul this week.

Turns out he was a former Guantanamo detainee (2002-04) who the UK government had lobbied to be released...after which they paid him $1.25 million as compensation.

Islamic State militants said Abu-Zakariya al-Britani, a British citizen who was originally known as Ronald Fiddler and then cast himself as Jamal Udeen al-Harith, detonated a car bomb at an Iraqi army base southwest of Mosul this week.

(...)

Britain made a civil damages settlement with British former Guantanamo Bay inmates in 2010 but did not disclose the size of the payouts, citing confidentiality agreements, then-Justice Secretary Kenneth Clarke told parliament at the time.

The Daily Mail reported that Britani had been awarded $1.25 million by the British government after claiming British agents knew or were complicit in his alleged mistreatment.

Originally from the northern English city of Manchester, he converted to Islam in his 20s. He was detained in Afghanistan by U.S. special forces and taken to Guantanamo in 2002.

He was released in 2004 after the government of then-Prime Minister Tony Blair lobbied for his release. He later traveled to Syria to fight with Islamic State.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mi...-idUSKBN1611A8

you can't make this stuff up.

[Moonlight]

Par for the course for these bloody idiots we've got in power here, we're talking the UK government who are all supposed to be educated but time after time they have proven that they are the thickest set of pillocks ever to inhabit infest the house of parliament.

[Oberon]

Wonder if he was a radical before or after he was sent to Guantánamo after being rescued from Taliban prison.

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Wonder if he was a radical before or after he was sent to Guantánamo after being rescued from Taliban prison.

of course, poor innocent picked-on soul. Its all society's fault don't you know.

Al-Harith was detained in Kabul by US forces who found his explanations regarding the purpose of his travels in the region to be implausible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Udeen_Al-Harith


Maybe the UK government should pay his widow another 1 million pounds as compensation.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Wonder if he was a radical before or after he was sent to Guantánamo after being rescued from Taliban prison.

I don't know, but my guess is probably the same idea which made Ronald want to kill people was the same one that gave that 15 year Danish school girl the desire to want to kill people.

I find highly unlikely GITMO had anything to do with their decisions to kill.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Wonder if he was a radical before or after he was sent to Guantánamo after being rescued from Taliban prison.

I'm with Rockstar on this, The guy had choices, He chose to become a suicide bomber, reserve your sympathy for the 5 children he left in the hands of Daesh.

[Bilge_Rat]

more info on Ronald Fiddler from his DoD file, courtesy of Wikileaks:

He was also accused of being “probably involved” in a terrorist attack against the United States. Officials said he traveled to the Middle East extensively from 1992 to 1996, including with Abu Bakr, an al-Qaeda operative, to Sudan in 1992, during the time when Osama Bin Laden’s network was active there. He told interrogators he attended a school in Sudan, but the DOD said that school did not actually exist.

“The only information they could find for foreigners to go to Khartoum, Sudan, was for Islamic studies in which a majority of the time the individuals were recruited for training in sabotage, kidnapping, improvised explosive devices and commando training,” the documents say. “According to British Embassy personnel on the scene at the Surpozza Prison when the five political prisoners were released, Jamal Al-Harith was indicated as being the ‘leader’ of the five prisoners. They further stated that Al-Harith was cocky and evasive stating that he had provided all the he was going to provide the British Embassy personnel. This was after he had sent a request to the British Embassy through the Red Cross to get out of Afghanistan.”

The DOD also said Fiddler told soldiers he had never been to Saudi Arabia, but told other detainees a meal he ate at Guantanamo tasted like one he had in Jedda, Saudi Arabia.

He was deemed to be a “high threat to the U.S.” and was considered an al-Qaeda fighter by the DOD.

https://wikileaks.ch/gitmo/prisoner/490.html

again, according to his file, he was arrested by the Taliban when he tried to enter Afghanistan on october 3rd, 2001. This is less than 3 weeks after 9/11 and only 2-3 weeks before U.S. forces invaded.

seems like an odd time to do some "tourism".

I am not surprised the U.S. detained him and sent him to Guantanamo.

What I don't understand is why the UK government felt obliged to give him $ 1.25 million given these facts. It smells very much like a purely political decision.

[Oberon]

Probably something to do with the torture he received which....

Ah forget it, who really cares?

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

of course, poor innocent picked-on soul. Its all society's fault don't you know. [...]

Of course, of course.
But then you do not know what i would do if i would have been kidnapped, imprisoned in Guantanamo without court case or verdict, been tortured and having lost 15 years of my life, while being innocent? Murat Kurnaz anyone?

It is well known there are a lot of innocent people "detained", which is b.t.w. such a nice word versus captured, kidnapped, imprisoned and tortured. Orwell in full swing.
And there are still a lot there without even having had a trial, or court case. Just why?!

Ok this guy seems indeed to have been involved in a lot of planning and meeting the "right" people. And I do not say i have sympathy with this guy, but the choice of words and reasoning and putting all "detained" under a general suspicion without accusing or hearing, is disgusting.

[Rockstar]

And the 14 year old school girl? Other than having to bear the burdern of being privileged, white, european and female who still lived with mommy and daddy. What terrible thing did we do that forced her to want to blow up a school? Im mean since this religion has nothing but great, uplifting, and friendly things to say about those who dont submit to it and its god. The only thing in common two people had that made them want to kill isn't Islam, no it couldn be that. It must be something we said or done to her and Ronald that made them want to do this, there is no other possible explanation.

[mapuc]

Maybe wrong thread

Last time an American TV-Channel send a reporter into an area where there only live immigrants in some Swedish town it didn't go to well, either they got beaten or threaten.

So this time they send a war reporter one who have been in the line of fire many times.

They are sending him to the Swedish town Malmoe.

Markus

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Of course, of course.
But then you do not know what i would do if i would have been kidnapped, imprisoned in Guantanamo without court case or verdict, been tortured and having lost 15 years of my life, while being innocent? Murat Kurnaz anyone?

It is well known there are a lot of innocent people "detained", which is b.t.w. such a nice word versus captured, kidnapped, imprisoned and tortured. Orwell in full swing.
And there are still a lot there without even having had a trial, or court case. Just why?!

Ok this guy seems indeed to have been involved in a lot of planning and meeting the "right" people. And I do not say i have sympathy with this guy, but the choice of words and reasoning and putting all "detained" under a general suspicion without accusing or hearing, is disgusting.

That is the same old trope that any actions taken by Western states to protect themselves leads to "radicalisation". It is the same arguments bleeding heart liberals keep trotting out, you hear the same tired old arguments about Trump's travel ban.

Guantanamo did not just happen. 3,000 innocent men, women and children died on 9/11. Hundreds jumped to their death instead of being burned alive.

U.S. forces did not randomly sweep up muslims and ship them off to Guantanamo. All their files are available courtesy of Wikileaks and you can see many had suspicious or confirmed ties to terrorist groups. Out of 693 released, 213 (30%) were confirmed/suspected to have gone back to terrorist groups as of july 2016 and many analysts think the numbers could be higher since many, like Ronnie Fiddler, are avoiding detection.

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/...ber%202016.pdf

The truth is that Ronnie Fiddler was a terrorist before he went to Guantanamo, he was a terrorist after he was released and all his supporters were taken in by his lies.

On the subject of radicalisation, Sweden is the opposite of the USA. It welcomes refugees, gives them free housing, generous social benefits and a welcoming social environment. So why is it that the suburbs of Stockholm are now prime recruiting grounds for Al-Shabab?

The problems Sweden faces integrating large numbers of Muslim immigrants is a subject on which Nordstjernan columnist Ulf Nilson has written many times. His warnings of increasing radicalization among Sweden’s Muslims – warnings he started to broadcast a decade ago – now seem eerily prophetic in light of an Associated Press investigation that found Stockholm to be a breeding ground for jihadists among Swedish Somalis. According to the AP report, which first ran Jan. 24, an al-Qaida-linked group is busy recruiting anti-government fighters among Somali youths living in Rinkeby. A suburb of Stockholm, Rinkeby has earned the nickname of “Little Mogadishu” because of the number of Somalis living there. Rinkeby is also the center of the recruiting efforts of al-Shabab, a group with ties to al-Qaida.

The most disquieting aspect of this effort is who al-Shabab is targeting – second-generation Somali immigrants. According to AP, about 20 Rinkeby residents have joined a bloody insurgency against Somalia's government. According to SÄPO, the Swedish state security police, five of them have been killed and 10 are still at large in Somalia.

http://www.nordstjernan.com/news/sweden/1897/

It really is time for bleeding heart liberals to stop looking at the world through rose tinted glasses.