Oroville Dam spillway damage

[Mr Quatro]

More rain coming wednesday, thursday, friday and saturday for Redding, Red Bluff, Chico and Oroville, California:

[AVGWarhawk]

Now the governor is asking for Federal assistance. Is the the same state that wanted to succeed from the union and thumbed their noses at the Feds over issues like sanctuary cities?

[Rockstar]

All this talk of secession, everyone knows the republic is like the Hotel California. You check out anytime you want but you can never leave. In fact I think thats what I'll start telling others what country I live in.

What country you from? Hotel California.

[AVGWarhawk]

Maybe money would have best been funneled to infrastructure. Just a thought.

[Buddahaid]

Very naive statements.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Very naive statements.

Do tell? 2013 the systems was noted as needing repair.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Do tell? 2013 the systems was noted as needing repair.

Not that, I mean about painting California as a one stripe blue vs. red state and that just everyone that lives there bust be protesting for secession. It is a big state where pretty much any place away from the major urban centers is as red as any red state.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by mako88sb

circumstances are reminding me of what we went through in June/2013 here in Calgary/Southern Alberta.

But in Oroville, it's an evacuation...in Calgary, it's a stampede!

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Not that, I mean about painting California as a one stripe blue vs. red state and that just everyone that lives there bust be protesting for secession. It is a big state where pretty much any place away from the major urban centers is as red as any red state.

Got ya! Yes, I understand the entire state is not for succession. Personally, I think talk of succession is disingenuous. TX talks about it like the weather. But, the sanctuary cities and the nose thumbing, does not sit well after shrugging off Trumps cutting of funding.

[Oberon]

I recall seeing figures that indicated that Oroville voted Trump anyway, so like you say, it's all a bit more convoluted than it first looks.

[Gargamel]

Well, in the present moment, politics shouldn't have a seat at the table, they should be pushed aside until the crisis is over. The state is still part of the Union, and therefore has the right to federal assistance.

Saying 'I told ya so!' Does nothing to help the situation now. That is all for investigation after the fact.

What they need now is a way to rapidly secure the dam, and get these people back to their homes. We don't know what industries might be affected by these evacuations, and what effect that might have on global economies.

You might scoff at that notion, but the company of 300 people I work for, if they burned to the ground tomorrow, there would be a noticeable uptick in the global cost of chlorine within a month or so, and then a few months after that, an increase in petroleum and plastic costs.

[Platapus]

It is far more important to find a point of blame, especially if it can be used for political purposes than actually trying to fix the problem.

That's the sad state of our political environment.

I imagine it is only a matter of time before 911 dispatchers start asking who people voted for before sending out the FD/EMS.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Gargamel

Well, in the present moment, politics shouldn't have a seat at the table, they should be pushed aside until the crisis is over. The state is still part of the Union, and therefore has the right to federal assistance.

Saying 'I told ya so!' Does nothing to help the situation now. That is all for investigation after the fact.

What they need now is a way to rapidly secure the dam, and get these people back to their homes. We don't know what industries might be affected by these evacuations, and what effect that might have on global economies.

You might scoff at that notion, but the company of 300 people I work for, if they burned to the ground tomorrow, there would be a noticeable uptick in the global cost of chlorine within a month or so, and then a few months after that, an increase in petroleum and plastic costs.

Originally Posted by Platapus

It is far more important to find a point of blame, especially if it can be used for political purposes than actually trying to fix the problem.

That's the sad state of our political environment. I imagine it is only a matter of time before 911 dispatchers start asking who people voted for before sending out the FD/EMS.

Tell that to Chris Christie as he hugged Obama after hurricane Sandy. Saying "stuff it where the sun don't shine", does not win and influence friends either. But hey, still part of the union so cut the check. Tomorrow the state will do what it can to discredit the current administration.

It is highly unlikely the town of Oroville will have a profound affect on the global economy. Please dispense with the melodramatics.

Further, the dam was said to need repair in 2013. The Feds said no. There you have it. It is not a case of "I told you so." It is a case of not addressing the problem 4 years ago.

[vienna]

For the vast majority of Californians, the whole secession issue is pretty much either ignored of treated as just another one of the many fringe lunacies that pop up from time to time. As was mentioned before, other states, notably Texas, have had such rumblings before, but they are hard to take seriously mainly because any serious attempt would face an uphill battle that would make Sisyphus look like an overachiever; the chances are nil and less than nil...

As far as CA asking for federal funds, the US pretty much needs CA a bit more than CA needs the US; CA ranks as the 6th largest economy in the world following the U.S., China, Japan, Germany and the United Kingdom, in that order. The only other state even close to CA's ranking is Texas, which ranks as 12th largest, mainly due to its petroleum industries. CA has a broad and diverse economy and is at the forefront of newer industries and enterprises such as digital technology and alternate energy research and application. When DC threatened to cut off federal funds to CA, the state government floated the idea of simply ceasing to pay the Feds their share of revenues accrued in CA and diverting the funds internally to the state; given that the amount of revenue normally sent to the Federal coffers significantly exceeds the federal funding sent back to CA, simple math would tell you who would be the loser if CA withheld revenues. After the idea of withholding was floated, the noise from DC about cutting Federal funds quieted down noticeably. Texas could learn from this: instead of continually threatening to secede from the US, just threaten the Feds where it hurts -- in the wallet...

Gargamel and Platapus are right; this crisis is not a time for politics. If any of the politicos at any level, local, state, or federal, think they are going to score brownie points for either themselves or their parties by turning this into another 'us vs. them' game, they may be in for a shock. The public outpouring of support for the plight of the more than 100,000 citizens evacuated and the 100s of thousands more who face harm if the dam fails goes across all political lines and holdings. I would not want to be the politician who seeks to profit from others misery. Fix first, argue later; and whoever or whatever is the most able to accomplish the fix the best in the least amount of time will be in a far better position, politically, and morally, to earn the trust of the citizens. We don't care who does it as long as it gets done and done right...

Here's a link to the latest from the LA Times:

http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...htmlstory.html



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[Rockstar]

Lets not go full Nagin.