US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by yubba

we are only 2% of the land mass of the whole world

No, USA land mass is about 7% of the total land mass of Earth, making you the 4th 3rd largest country in the world.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by yubba

we are only 2% of the land mass of the whole world

Originally Posted by Dowly

No, USA land mass is about 7% of the total land mass of Earth, making you the 4th 3rd largest country in the world.

Depending on how you word it you are both right.

Divide the area of the U.S. by the area of the world:

1. Proportion of total surface area:
Area of U.S.: 3,790,000 sq. mi.
Earth's total surface area: 197,000,000 sq. mi.

3,790,000 / 197,000,000 = 0.0192385787 = about 1.9 %

2. Proportion of total land area (using total area of U.S., including a small amount of water):
Total land area of world: 57,268,900 sq. mi.

3,790,000 / 57,268,900 = 0.0661790256 = about 6.6 %

Now shake hands and get back to work.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by yubba

And since we were on the topic of who we let in this country,, we are only 2% of the land mass of the whole world we don't have to take in anybody we can't take care of our own ,,, fix your own damn countries. And we don't owe the world nothin,, if wasn't for the sacrifices of this country you'd be eating saurkraut with chop sticks and speaking with a Russian accent,, this is our country and if you don't like it come and do something about it .. I hear the EU is upset with Trump maybe you and your muslim money backers can come up with something,, we seem to hold all the cards that will Trump any actions you take against us,, enjoy the islamification of europe.

Looking at the above and presuming (an often dangerous concept here in GT admittedly) some if not all of the reference is directed toward the UK.

The UK certainly doesn't owe the US anything in terms of 20th century aid received, it took us many a decade to pay it back in full as well as granting your country rights to ports and bases.

You support Trump and that's fine but don't you think you should keep an open mind as to the consequences of potential isolationism or have you learned nothing of what some of the benefits globalisation can bring and not focus solely on the negatives.

You could of course thank the UK for furnishing you with an internationally understood language, even if you did bastardise it.

I'm beginning to think you may need to consider taking some time out for quiet reflection should you remain so vitriolic in your posting contents.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Riddle me this, did President Obama summarily prohibit entry from seven nations? And, this is the most hilarious bit of this piece of cock-eyed legislature...it completely misses several nations who, if you are going to ban 'Muslim terrorists' you should probably put on the list.


It's a stupid half-arsed decision which is going to cause a lot of disruption at US airports over the next couple of days. Heck, even his own VP, and even Paul Ryan thought the idea was terrible, but that was before Trump became President and they became invertebrates.

no, but they were on his list of "countries of concern" for terrorist's.
President Trump has already said that more countries will be added to the list as needed. If I'm not mistaken under President Bush, there were 28 nations on the "list", Under President Obama the list was pared down to 7. I think under trump the list will now expand at least to the upper teens.

You do realize, that OE's are basically memos telling the different executive branches how to administer laws already on the books. these are not new laws. the Following is what that OE actually does:

The President want's more comprehensive vetting on citizens from certain countries, to achieve that he places a 120 day ban on new applications from those countries while they roll out the new requirements, Those people who have already received their Visa's/green cards will still be allowed into the country although they may be delayed (inconvenienced), while their paperwork is double checked. The governments of the effected governments will also be required to provide more information for the vetting process, and if they refuse, the ban will not be lifted.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by MaDef

no, but they were on his list of "countries of concern" for terrorist's.
President Trump has already said that more countries will be added to the list as needed. If I'm not mistaken under President Bush, there were 28 nations on the "list", Under President Obama the list was pared down to 7. I think under trump the list will now expand at least to the upper teens.

You do realize, that OE's are basically memos telling the different executive branches how to administer laws already on the books. these are not new laws. the Following is what that OE actually does:

The President want's more comprehensive vetting on citizens from certain countries, to achieve that he places a 120 day ban on new applications from those countries while they roll out the new requirements, Those people who have already received their Visa's/green cards will still be allowed into the country although they may be delayed (inconvenienced), while their paperwork is double checked. The governments of the effected governments will also be required to provide more information for the vetting process, and if they refuse, the ban will not be lifted.

That makes a bit more sense, but it really hasn't been implemented that well and has really rather backfired on him in global opinion. But, that seems to be par for the course, and no doubt will be blamed on a liberal conspiracy.
Besides, I can think of a few things that kill more Americans than Muslims do and nothing will ever be done about them.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

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How predictable that the liberal media is now beginning to publicize individual cases..and how predictable that our own resident liberals are so easiy manipulated.

How sad that some people continue to make this a Liberal/Conservative issue instead of recognizing that it is an American Issue.

We need to stop with the "us/them" paradigm. We the people.....

Not we the conservatives. Not we the liberals. Not we the Republicans. Not we the Democrats. We the people need to solve the problems.

The people being manipulated are those who insist that it is a us/them situation. The political parties benefit the more decisive we are. The last thing the political parties want is a united population.

[yubba]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

You support Trump and that's fine but don't you think you should keep an open mind as to the consequences of potential isolationism or have you learned nothing of what some of the benefits globalisation can bring and not focus solely on the negatives.

You could of course thank the UK for furnishing you with an internationally understood language, even if you did bastardise it.

I'm beginning to think you may need to consider taking some time out for quiet reflection should you remain so vitriolic in your posting contents.

I'll take that under advisement,, but since there is people continually attacking the POTUS and spreading false information,, I'll continue to defend him and the constitution to my up most ablility and set the record straight as much as it annoys you, with my broken english that still ruffles the lefts feathers because the truth sux for them, after all once a Marine Always a Marine,, not my fault people don't know when they have been sold out and are being invaded,, Marines have been kicking islamic extremist butt for over 200 years,, where do you think from the Shores of Tripoli comes from,, we didn't go there to hug or reason with them.

[MaDef]

I think once people have time to assimilate just what is going on, the furor will die out.

Under the circumstances, the "roll-out" was spot on, for a couple of reasons.

because of the way it was rolled out (relevant department heads/managers were the only ones briefed) communication issues were highlighted, and puts those departments on notice to get their act cleaned up.

by not announcing the OE in advance of the implementation, you may catch people with iffy documents in the act.

You also don't give the groups apposed to the policy any time to organize protests or find a judge to block it. (there is a stay but it is very limited in scope).

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by yubba

I'll take that under advisement,, but since there is people continually attacking the POTUS and spreading false information,, I'll continue to defend him and the constitution to my up most ablility and set the record straight ....

That's fine, but like Jim requested, just try to tone it down a bit.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Platapus

The last thing the political parties media wants is a united population.

Closer to the truth.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by yubba

Marines have been kicking islamic extremist butt for over 200 years,, where do you think from the Shores of Tripoli comes from,, we didn't go there to hug or reason with them.

One foray in 1904 hardly makes for 'over 200 years'...

Not a slur on the USMC, just pointing it out.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Oberon

One foray in 1904 hardly makes for 'over 200 years'...

Not a slur on the USMC, just pointing it out.

Actually 1801 under Jefferson. Barbary pirates

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by MaDef

Actually 1801 under Jefferson. Barbary pirates

Ah, my apologies, two then. Again, no slight, I mean, the US is a young country after all. Europe has been playing tug of war with the Middle East since...well, probably since the two spheres met, interrupted only by the Mongols and the occasional Viking raid.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Ah, my apologies, two then. Again, no slight, I mean, the US is a young country after all. Europe has been playing tug of war with the Middle East since...well, probably since the two spheres met, interrupted only by the Mongols and the occasional Viking raid.

U.S. Marines tend to get a bit touchy when it comes to their history. And while they like to brag about all the different places they fought, they tend to gloss over the fact that it's us Navy boys that got them there

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by MaDef

U.S. Marines tend to get a bit touchy when it comes to their history. And while they like to brag about all the different places they fought, they tend to gloss over the fact that it's us Navy boys that got them there

I imagine it's the same on this side too. I'm glad that our two Marine forces work together well, an unstoppable force when you get them going. This is part of why I hope that you guys don't go so isolationist, and that we don't go isolationist, because we can work well together and work well with Europe and keep things on the straight and level.