Obama has been photographed repeatedly

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

So you would have gotton your facts together before you opened your mouth and said you were going to do something? Hmmmm, Guess the president should have got his facts straight before he said he was gonna close GITMO then. Since he wasnt able to follow through with his promise it seems to me he is the who failed.

Congress made no such promise.



"No new taxes"

I can't wait to see your reaction when Trump, who has shot his mouth off far more times than any other President in history (wonder if he'll lay claim to that particular "No. 1") runs into the buzz saw that is Congress and some of his promises and boasts start to fall apart. Considering not all of the GOP members of Congress are "yuge" fans of his, it can be expected there will be a goodly degree of push back; this has been seen in the very active and tough participation of GOP committee members in the grilling of Trump's Cabinet appointees. Add to this the next mid-term election is in November 2018 and all 435 House seats and 33 of the 50 Senate seats will be open for reelection; the usual time frame for the incumbents to actively start their reelection campaigns is about a full year, or more, before the election, that means they'll have at best another ten months before they are going to have to have something in the way of productive progress to show their constituents. If Trump manages to somehow 'screw the pooch' on the issues facing Americans in their everyday lives, the GOP Congressional members may well pay the price; also, if Trump continues his ongoing alienation of major portions of the electorate, there may be many more voter who will see the Old Party as not so Grand. Those massive demonstrations across the US the day after Trump's inauguration were more than just extremely large gatherings of people: they were also extremely large gatherings of voters who, at this point, are not inclined to vote GOP and will be even less so if the GOP backs a very possible Trump 'losing hand'. The size f the protest in DC was stunning; what was even more stunning was the overwhelming size of supportive demonstrations and marches in other cities across the US on the same day; here in Los Angeles, the city officials and law enforcement had expected and made plans for a crowd of about twenty-five to thirty thousand people; what they got was a crowd of between 700,000 to 750,000 protesters; most demonstrations held here in Los Angeles in the past have had difficulty in even breaking the 10,000 to 15,000 mark, even on a Saturday; I do know local elected officials, of both parties, are taking a long look at where they now want to fall on issues involving Trump. You see, a demonstration is more than just a large group of people expressing their current opinions; they are also a large group of voters expressing their current opinions, and when a politician sees not just a large group of voters, but actually a massive group of voters, they become, themselves, less inclined to risk their political futures by back unpopular policies and unpopular leaders; some might continue to support Trump and his madness, but they run a very high risk of not having a seat when Congress assembles after November 2018. There is a very high probability, particularly in the House, a goodly number of GOP incumbents will try to, in some way, distance themselves from the Trump circus. Another factor: much has been said by Far-Right pundits and commentators of the perceived 'disarray' of the DEMs and the Left after last November's election, but there is a real problem brewing for the GOP in that Trump is now causing the factions of the DEMs and Left to coalesce, unify, and organize in a manner I haven't seen since the days of Nixon and that can be a potent force in the coming midterm elections; if the DEMs and Left can sway a large number of Independents, like myself, it will be a very hard row to hoe for the GOP...



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[Jimbuna]

Did Trump seriously believe Mexico could be made to pay for the wall he wants erecting?

Mexico: We will not pay for Trump border wall

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38753826

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Did Trump seriously believe Mexico could be made to pay for the wall he wants erecting?



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38753826

No, you don't get the whole idea: you see, first Trump is going to have the wall built using US taxpayer money that he will divert from other expenditures, if he can get Congress to agree to such a massive diversion of funds, at the risk of their own political futures, and, after the wall is built, at taxpayer expense and the loss of other government services , which we the taxpayers will more than willingly and wholeheartedly support since, after all, it is a Trump idea, then by some means which Trump hasn't really thought of (or given much thought to, at all), the Mexican government will be cowed by the size of the Mighty Orange One's majestic tiny shaking fists and humbly open their coffers to repay our nation and everything will be peachy keen...

So goes the fairy tale and the possibility of a happily ever after is very, very slim...

At least at the postmortem of this sorry affair we here in the US can paraphrase your Bard: "For Trump is an honorable man..."...



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[Catfish]

As i heard the Mexicans are now heavily investing in tunnel digging.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Catfish

As i heard the Mexicans are now heavily investing in tunnel digging.

Great Again! Probably buying the equipment from us. lol

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Great Again! Probably buying the equipment from us. lol

More likely than not, buy them from China ;or, maybe, Japan or some other country. China must be salivating right now over the prospect filling the void to be created when the Trump plans go into effect and China has the opportunity of increased trade with Mexico and greater market share for their products, not to mention extending Chinese influence to the very doorstep of the USA...



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[Oberon]

Originally Posted by vienna

More likely than not, buy them from China ;or, maybe, Japan or some other country. China must be salivating right now over the prospect filling the void to be created when the Trump plans go into effect and China has the opportunity of increased trade with Mexico and greater market share for their products, not to mention extending Chinese influence to the very doorstep of the USA...

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Wonder when the first PLAN warships will visit Manzanillo? Thinking about it, the PRC has a lot it can offer Mexico, China isn't afraid to get its hands dirty, it could deploy forces to Mexico in order to crush the drug cartels and provide security for Mexico in return for complete Chinese domination of its markets. Of course, some Chinese forces would probably have to have a permanent basing there in order to provide that security as required.
Would be a nice deal for them.

Originally Posted by August

If they want to make it a real civil war I guess.

Sweet! BAe could do with the money.

[Rockstar]

You know what they say, don't make promises you cant keep. Because it will eventually come around and bite ya in your hind quarters