The Millennial Question

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Both my kids were born in the eighties and I'm pleased to say that whilst they have smart phones, ipads and laptops etc. none play a major part in their daily routine, they don't have those items high on their list of priorities.

I have seen it differently in public settings on a daily basis elsewhere though.

I have gone to restaurants and have seen children and adults alike, seated together and not talking with one another but rather have their faces buried in their phones. The phone themselves can be dangerous from the microwave radiation they emit. Further, I have seen people almost get hit by cars because they walked through a busy intersection and never looked up from their phones.

Like John / Golden Rivet said, technology has a way of connecting people and is also ironically creating a class of people disconnected from society and one another.


Good article John.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I have seen people almost get hit by cars because they walked through a busy intersection and never looked up from their phones.

Those are known as smombies...smartphone zombies...

[Commander Wallace]

QUOTE=Schroeder;2455132]Those are known as smombies...smartphone zombies...[/QUOTE]

I like that @ smombies. I have never heard that one. Mind if I use it ?

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I like that @ smombies. I have never heard that one. Mind if I use it ?

It's not my creation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone_zombie

So feel free to use it.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

The phone themselves can be dangerous from the microwave radiation they emit.

?????

I am confused. What exactly is dangerous about non-ionizing radio frequency radiation?

Other than heating, which cell phones simply don't have the power, what are the risks? We are hit with a lot more non-ionizing radiation for much longer periods of time than any cell phone and we do just fine.

It is ionizing radiation that we need to worry about.

[ikalugin]

I do get a problem with my eyes being strained by the constant use of my laptop though.

[vienna]

I'm sorry, did somebody say something? I was busy checking my phone messages...



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[AVGWarhawk]

[Gargamel]

Platapus has it right, this generation gap thing happens every generation. Multiple studies have shown this, and it's all based upon observer's bias. Basically, people will remember the negative things you see, rather than the good. You see younger people acting differently then you remember doing so, and opposed to how you think they should act, and you remember that. You see just as many younger people acting they way they are expected to act, and you don't remember them as well because they don't stand out to you. Younger people are faster to adopt new technologies and cultural shifts, so they appear different, mysterious almost.

No generation is any worse off than the previous, relatively speaking. There will always be those who bring down each generation, there will always be those who lift it up. In today's world though, it's much easier to see, and remember, the former, while taking the latter for granted.

I see it too, I have caught my self saying "Those damn kids". While it may be a recurring thing, it still occurs to every generation, and still affects us.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Gargamel

I see it too, I have caught my self saying "Those damn kids". While it may be a recurring thing, it still occurs to every generation, and still affects us.

My wife used to ask me what my expectations are.

simple. when i say to a 20 year old feed the dog, take out the trash and hold my flashlight or help me work on something on the car for about 10 minutes. i don't mean say "ok just a minute" and then spend the next 45 minutes on some imaginary skyrim quest while i stand there waiting.

It doesnt happen as much as it used to. but i used to have to remind her, that, as a flight instructor, im used to working with a whole other type of 16-20 year old.

the kind who are motivated to do well, who borrow mom's car to come to the airport after school, leave the airport after the lesson and go feed the neighbor's livestock, and then drive to their evening job where they will work until 9pm on a weeknight just to make a few coins. the kind who, knocks on the door of my house unexpectedly and asks for help with a writing assignment or history assignment which is something i am glad to do. the kid who after 2-3 months of that sweat and toil shows up in their own car.

sure its a piece of crap

sure its got 97,000 miles and the A/C needs work, but they pinched their hard earned pennies to pay for it themselves. they didn't rely on mommy or daddy or gampa. and they are proud of it.

so sure, when i've worked with those types of kids, i guess it does make the bitter disappointment even worse when i see one in the same age group with their pants around their ankles just sitting around burning cigarettes and precious time

if that makes me a curmudgeon old ass, well, so be it

id rather be a curmudgeon old ass than a spoiled little...

the hope is, that most of them will come around and make something worthwhile of the world, and themselves.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Platapus

?????

I am confused. What exactly is dangerous about non-ionizing radio frequency radiation?

Other than heating, which cell phones simply don't have the power, what are the risks? We are hit with a lot more non-ionizing radiation for much longer periods of time than any cell phone and we do just fine.

It is ionizing radiation that we need to worry about.

The medical community has suggested a link with Incidences of brain Cancer and the use of Cellular phones. Gioma is the most common type of brain tumor. The common denominator was cell phone use. Right handed people tend to develop Cancers on the right side of their head while left handed tend to develop cancers on the left side of their brain. Obviously this is because people who tend to favor their right or left hand will ultimately hold their phone against their ears with that hand.

It should come as no surprise that the manufactures of Cellular phone and the associated technology's have tried to dispel the connection but the medical community has stood fast on the association of Gioma brain cancers and cellular phone use.

Quote: The recent worldwide increase in use of wireless communications has resulted in greater exposure to radiofrequency electromagnetic fields (RF-EMF). The brain is the main target of RF-EMF when these phones are used, with the highest exposure being on the same side of the brain where the phone is placed. These are just a few of the websites that are saying there are risks from cell phone use. Please note that one source is the Mayo clinic, which is world renowned.

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/...nes-fact-sheet

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/834888

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-li...r/faq-20057798

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...ncer-risk.aspx


To be fair, there are arguments on both sides. Some researchers are split on the dangers which cell phone may pose. That may well be because of who signs their paychecks. Ionizing radiation would cause immediate damage but researchers are more concerned with long term use with non ionizing radiation. Researchers are more concerned with EMF or Electromagnetic radiation present in Cellular phone technology and WiFi devices, just to name a few.

http://www.earthcalm.com/emf-dangers-2

You may dispute the findings as much as you like but prudence would suggest that because of the links, Cell Phones do pose a significant health risk and according to the articles, the most susceptible are those under the age of 20. If people are aware of even a casual connection, they can take precautions such as limit their cell phone use or use ear phones or buds. A number of cars today have built in cellular phone technology. How much this helps is yet to be determined.

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com...radiation2.htm

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

The medical community has suggested a link with Incidences of brain Cancer and the use of Cellular phones. Gioma is the most common type of brain tumor. The common denominator was cell phone use. Right handed people tend to develop Cancers on the right side of their head while left handed tend to develop cancers on the left side of their brain. Obviously this is because people who tend to favor their right or left hand will ultimately hold their phone against their ears with that hand.

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You seem to be read up on the matter, so a question: is there any evidence, researched or anecdotal, of similar incidences of tumors on persons who store their phones on other parts of their bodies, such as a back pocket or shirt pocket, or on a belt? It would be interesting to see if the effect is not present on other body areas; the correlation would not be so much solely the radiation but, rather, the disposition of brain matter to the radiation...

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

...You may dispute the findings as much as you like but prudence would suggest that because of the links, Cell Phones do pose a significant health risk and according to the articles, the most susceptible are those under the age of 20. ...

Still looking for a way to get those whippersnappers to put down their mobiles, eh?...




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[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by vienna

You seem to be read up on the matter, so a question: is there any evidence, researched or anecdotal, of similar incidences of tumors on persons who store their phones on other parts of their bodies, such as a back pocket or shirt pocket, or on a belt? It would be interesting to see if the effect is not present on other body areas; the correlation would not be so much solely the radiation but, rather, the disposition of brain matter to the radiation...



Still looking for a way to get those whippersnappers to put down their mobiles, eh?...




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As I said, the connection is at least a " casual " one. To be honest Vienna,
I know a little bit about the cell phones but certainly not enough to say one way or the other . You mentioned having the Cell phone somewhere else on your body and I have wondered the same thing. If there are dangers in WiFi use, I would think the dangers would increase exponentially if the phone's are in close proximity to the body. Wearing them in a belt clip comes to mind.

Research is ongoing and the connection is contested. I do think that if there is at least a casual connection, Prudence suggests people understand the dangers and enact safety measures.

whippersnappers eh ? I guess we are all guilty of having and using them.


Leave it to you to be the voice of reason, as always Vienna.

[vienna]

Well, if you're going to insult me and accuse me of being reasonable, I'll leave in a huff...make that a minute and a huff...

I don't know if it has any real effect in the avoidance of possibly harmful radiation, but I do make it a practice to turn off the Wi-Fi and mobile data functions on my phone and I usually carry the phone in a sort of day bag I sling over my shoulder, along with my other items, books, etc. After I finished my prior post, I had a vague recollection of seeing something some months back on a TV news report about breast cancer cases in women who stored the mobiles in their bras. I found this link on that subject:

http://ehtrust.org/key-issues/cell-p...breast-cancer/



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[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by vienna

Well, if you're going to insult me and accuse me of being reasonable, I'll leave in a huff...make that a minute and a huff...

I had a vague recollection of seeing something some months back on a TV news report about breast cancer cases in women who stored the mobiles in their bras. I found this link on that subject:

http://ehtrust.org/key-issues/cell-p...breast-cancer/



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Well, if you can't insult friends, who else can you insult.

I hadn't Heard of cell phones being kept in bras and it seems a strange place to keep them a cell phone or anything else for that matter. I'm sure this was the brainchild of law firms like U.R. Screwed and others to catch cheating husbands in the act.

Interesting read nonetheless. Thanks for posting the link.