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Wolferz · 12-23-16, 09:07 PM

Is it written by women?

Read an article the other day that claimed warming up your car on a frosty morning would damage your engine by washing the oil off of the cylinder walls while the engine is running with the increased fuel mixture needed for warm up.
(Female logic?)

Ahem, I'll take a little engine wear over driving with a fogged up windshield any day of the week. Running into another vehicle would be much more expensive than a little machine work on the motor.
If they had any clue of how an internal combustion engine works they'd STFU.

Oberon · 12-24-16, 09:44 AM

It must be, because women know absolutely nothing about cars at all.

Furthermore, the article you refer to may have indeed been written by a woman, but it refers to a Stephen Ciatti, a drag racer with a PhD in mechanical engineering from the University of Wisconsin-Madison, and who specialises in gasoline engines at the Argonne National Laboratory.

Other experts agree that you should probably let the engine idle for a few minutes to let the oil get around, but unless you have a carburettor then it's not necessary to let the engine 'warm up'. However, obviously driving without a clear windshield is nonsense, but the article isn't stating that you should drive with a frosted windshield, but that it's not necessary to idle the engine to warm up the caburettor any more and in fact, it can be detrimental. In fact, the article says:

"In the time it takes you to scrape the snow and ice off of your windows, your car will be ready to go."

So far as I can see, most articles agree, there's no need to idle your car for longer than two to three minutes or so, just to let things get moving around the engine and lubricating right, and then you're ready to roll.

So yes, some MSN news is written by women, who are quoting men who seem to agree on a mechnical thing, so I guess they shouldn't STFU since they do seem to know what they're doing. Either that or the American education system is even worse than originally thought.

Sailor Steve · 12-24-16, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

It must be, because women know absolutely nothing about cars at all.

Oh yeah! Sabine Schmitz, the "Queen of the 'Ring". Thanks for making me remember this gem.

(Part 1 is just an intro to the actual drive)

Oberon · 12-24-16, 11:09 AM

She's a real gem. Sorry if I came across a bit hard there Wolferz, I just think it's time we all moved on from this misconception that women are somehow worse at engineering than men.

Buddahaid · 12-24-16, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

She's a real gem. Sorry if I came across a bit hard there Wolferz, I just think it's time we all moved on from this misconception that women are somehow worse at engineering than men.

Your right. The worst drivers are in a Prius.

Oberon · 12-24-16, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Your right. The worst drivers are in a Prius.

Platapus · 12-24-16, 02:37 PM

The best thing about the Prius is the effect it had on the gas mileage of other cars. When I had my Prius, I lost track of the number of people who had to tell me that they used to have "this car" that got 40+mpg years ago.

Now that's a good car design, when you can retroactively increase other manufacturer's MPG.

Rockstar · 12-24-16, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

She's a real gem. Sorry if I came across a bit hard there Wolferz, I just think it's time we all moved on from this misconception that women are somehow worse at engineering than men.

Being in the automotive industry I would have say compared to their male counterparts most women I deal with don't have much of a clue what they're driving let alone knowing how an engine works.

Wolferz · 12-24-16, 04:54 PM

Nor am I concerned with any attempts to educate me on the accomplishments of ladies with automotive expertise.

I was only attempting to point out that MSN News seems prone to posting fluff stories that are half written and a tad misleading.
Modern day engines aren't much different from their predecessors in the their mechanical make-up. They all have pistons in finely honed cylinders. Most pistons have a pair of compression rings and a pair of scraper rings. There isn't a lot of oil pumped on to the cylinder walls to lubricate them against wear. Otherwise that oil would burn during the combustion process, causing more harm than good by fouling the spark plugs.
Every modern ICE is now controlled via sensors and computers. The computer runs in a closed loopto enrich the fuel/air mixture during warm up. instead of a choke mechanism used on carbureted motors in the old days.

Also, I was referring to the condensation effect on the internal windshield surface created by a warm body in a cold cabin. Scraping the ice/frost off the outside is a no brainer. It only takes about five minutes of idling a cold motor to warm the coolant enough to defog the windscreen. Not long enough to cause any damage over the life of the car.

August · 12-24-16, 10:50 PM

Ok so there are some women who are excellent drivers. But what about the other 99% who seem to become blithering idiots whenever they get behind the wheel?

Platapus · 12-25-16, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz

I was only attempting to point out that MSN News seems prone to posting fluff stories that are half written and a tad misleading.

If you had focused on that, it would have been a good posting, but for some reason, you felt it necessary to point out that gender was an important factor in this story... and it wasn't.

Aktungbby · 12-25-16, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz

Nor am I concerned with any attempts to educate me on the accomplishments of ladies with automotive expertise.

We R tyred of your anti-feminist sentiment!

vienna · 12-25-16, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

... Furthermore, the article you refer to may have indeed been written by a woman, but it refers to a Stephen Ciatti, a drag racer with a PhD in mechanical engineering from the University of Wisconsin-Madison, and who specialises in gasoline engines at the Argonne National Laboratory. ....

Drag racer? Well. the article may not have been from a woman, but, perhaps, a crossdresser?...

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12-23-16, 09:07 PM	#1
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	MSN News Is it written by women? Read an article the other day that claimed warming up your car on a frosty morning would damage your engine by washing the oil off of the cylinder walls while the engine is running with the increased fuel mixture needed for warm up. (Female logic?) Ahem, I'll take a little engine wear over driving with a fogged up windshield any day of the week. Running into another vehicle would be much more expensive than a little machine work on the motor. If they had any clue of how an internal combustion engine works they'd STFU. __________________ Tomorrow never comes

12-24-16, 02:37 PM	#7
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,365 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	The best thing about the Prius is the effect it had on the gas mileage of other cars. When I had my Prius, I lost track of the number of people who had to tell me that they used to have "this car" that got 40+mpg years ago. Now that's a good car design, when you can retroactively increase other manufacturer's MPG. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

12-24-16, 04:54 PM	#9
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	I take no offense. Nor am I concerned with any attempts to educate me on the accomplishments of ladies with automotive expertise. I was only attempting to point out that MSN News seems prone to posting fluff stories that are half written and a tad misleading. Modern day engines aren't much different from their predecessors in the their mechanical make-up. They all have pistons in finely honed cylinders. Most pistons have a pair of compression rings and a pair of scraper rings. There isn't a lot of oil pumped on to the cylinder walls to lubricate them against wear. Otherwise that oil would burn during the combustion process, causing more harm than good by fouling the spark plugs. Every modern ICE is now controlled via sensors and computers. The computer runs in a closed loopto enrich the fuel/air mixture during warm up. instead of a choke mechanism used on carbureted motors in the old days. Also, I was referring to the condensation effect on the internal windshield surface created by a warm body in a cold cabin. Scraping the ice/frost off the outside is a no brainer. It only takes about five minutes of idling a cold motor to warm the coolant enough to defog the windscreen. Not long enough to cause any damage over the life of the car. __________________ Tomorrow never comes

12-24-16, 10:50 PM	#10
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Ok so there are some women who are excellent drivers. But what about the other 99% who seem to become blithering idiots whenever they get behind the wheel? __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

12-24-16, 09:44 AM	#2
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	It must be, because women know absolutely nothing about cars at all. Furthermore, the article you refer to may have indeed been written by a woman, but it refers to a Stephen Ciatti, a drag racer with a PhD in mechanical engineering from the University of Wisconsin-Madison, and who specialises in gasoline engines at the Argonne National Laboratory. Other experts agree that you should probably let the engine idle for a few minutes to let the oil get around, but unless you have a carburettor then it's not necessary to let the engine 'warm up'. However, obviously driving without a clear windshield is nonsense, but the article isn't stating that you should drive with a frosted windshield, but that it's not necessary to idle the engine to warm up the caburettor any more and in fact, it can be detrimental. In fact, the article says: "In the time it takes you to scrape the snow and ice off of your windows, your car will be ready to go." So far as I can see, most articles agree, there's no need to idle your car for longer than two to three minutes or so, just to let things get moving around the engine and lubricating right, and then you're ready to roll. So yes, some MSN news is written by women, who are quoting men who seem to agree on a mechnical thing, so I guess they shouldn't STFU since they do seem to know what they're doing. Either that or the American education system is even worse than originally thought.

12-24-16, 11:09 AM	#4
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	She's a real gem. Sorry if I came across a bit hard there Wolferz, I just think it's time we all moved on from this misconception that women are somehow worse at engineering than men.