Russia's war against Europe has long since begun

Oberon · 12-17-16, 11:45 AM

Snarky Comment.

But yeah, I don't think Putins war against Europe has long since begun, I think it has long since been won. The war is over. Europe lost.

eddie · 12-17-16, 03:23 PM

Boy, you are getting snarky Oberon!!

Catfish · 12-17-16, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Snarky Comment.

I agree.

Jimbuna · 12-18-16, 09:34 AM

Not wishing to stray off topic but I'm more concerned about what may happen between China and the US in the South China Sea expansion area.

Rockstar · 12-18-16, 10:43 AM

Well we all know what happened in the Gulf of Sidra when someone drew a line in violation of international law.

Skybird · 12-18-16, 10:56 AM

China is not Libya, and the Chinese already have stepped over the red line there with their illegal taking of naval territory and island-building in international waters. Both are acts of piracy , in my book.

Too bad that the Chinese are not the weak Libyans indeed. This issue will get decided not by maritime laws and treaties, but by the law of the strongest and more determined.

Oberon · 12-18-16, 11:04 AM

The US can push the Chinese back in their overseas expansion, they can take on the PLAN, it won't be bloodless for the USN and USAF but it can be done.
But that would be as far as they could go, neither the PRC or the US can invade and occupy each others mainland, so any conflict would be naval and aerial, and the US has the upper hand for the most part in that area as it stands.

eddie · 12-18-16, 11:06 AM

We are dealing with a huge difference between Libya and China.

Reece · 12-18-16, 07:18 PM

First the arming of small islands in the South China sea then giving 'Free gifts' to PNG I see this as stepping stones to Australia, their real target.

Oberon · 12-18-16, 07:20 PM

Australia? Yeah, like the PRC could ever take that, the entire country is a WMD.

Rockstar · 12-18-16, 07:24 PM

"It was the rise of Athens and the fear that this inspired in Sparta that made war inevitable.”

Thucydides

"We all need to work together to avoid the Thucydides trap – destructive tensions between an emerging power and established powers …" Chinese President Xi Jinping

12-17-16, 03:23 PM	#2
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Boy, you are getting snarky Oberon!! __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

12-18-16, 09:34 AM	#4
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,168 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Not wishing to stray off topic but I'm more concerned about what may happen between China and the US in the South China Sea expansion area. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-18-16, 10:56 AM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,744 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	China is not Libya, and the Chinese already have stepped over the red line there with their illegal taking of naval territory and island-building in international waters. Both are acts of piracy , in my book. Too bad that the Chinese are not the weak Libyans indeed. This issue will get decided not by maritime laws and treaties, but by the law of the strongest and more determined. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-18-16, 11:06 AM	#8
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	We are dealing with a huge difference between Libya and China. __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

12-18-16, 07:18 PM	#9
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,857 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	First the arming of small islands in the South China sea then giving 'Free gifts' to PNG I see this as stepping stones to Australia, their real target. __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

12-17-16, 11:45 AM	#1
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Snarky Comment. But yeah, I don't think Putins war against Europe has long since begun, I think it has long since been won. The war is over. Europe lost.

12-18-16, 10:43 AM	#5
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Well we all know what happened in the Gulf of Sidra when someone drew a line in violation of international law.

12-18-16, 11:04 AM	#7
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	The US can push the Chinese back in their overseas expansion, they can take on the PLAN, it won't be bloodless for the USN and USAF but it can be done. But that would be as far as they could go, neither the PRC or the US can invade and occupy each others mainland, so any conflict would be naval and aerial, and the US has the upper hand for the most part in that area as it stands.

12-18-16, 07:20 PM	#10
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Australia? Yeah, like the PRC could ever take that, the entire country is a WMD.

12-18-16, 07:24 PM	#11
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	"It was the rise of Athens and the fear that this inspired in Sparta that made war inevitable.” Thucydides "We all need to work together to avoid the Thucydides trap – destructive tensions between an emerging power and established powers …" Chinese President Xi Jinping