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Old 11-11-16, 07:56 AM   #16
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If Trump isn't up to the job, he can be voted out,, and we will vote in some one who can..Funny alot of countries can't do that,,, it's also funny,, some of the folk we've voted in forgot they were sent there to serve not to rule.
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Old 11-11-16, 08:14 AM   #17
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Swastikas and cars driving around with Kill Kill Kill written on them, hardly looks like peace is on the way. I dont think Trump would actually want for any of this to be happening, but now it is.
What makes you think that is anything but a staged picture designed to demonize the political opposition? Kill, kill kill indeed. You're being fed a line of propaganda and you don't realize it.

We have about 350 million citizens over here. If you look hard enough you can find somebody to fit just about any stereotype, and if not it's easy enough to invent them as your article mentions, but that doesn't make them the norm and you'd know that if you were here to see the reality for yourself.

Please remember that the Democrats have repeatedly hired paid protesters to try and disrupt political rallies. Also please remember that the only actual violence we're seeing over here is the mass rioting and vandalism being conducted by the left.
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Old 11-11-16, 08:14 AM   #18
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I'm inclined to agree with U Crank, Trump himself I don't think will be as bad as many think, Pence...is a bit more concerning, but hopefully there will be enough pushback to stop him from going too all out against the LBTGQ community. This is the point where we really have to hope and pray in the cheques and balances system, so that no laws or edicts are passed that end up physically harming sections of America.
My concern is the subsection of Trumps supporters, those who are the real 'Deplorables' who will be encouraged by this, and who will make certain peoples lives hell for the coming weeks, and maybe months.

People like this:

https://twitter.com/glorious_herald

http://smoloko.com/?p=11678

http://www.timesofisrael.com/conspir...-jewish-mafia/

https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/14/us...warted-kansas/
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Old 11-11-16, 08:20 AM   #19
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Guess you are complacent with Russia interfering with the election, comrade?
I've seen the accusation but I haven't seen any proof to go with it. Unless some is produced i think it's more likely a smoke screen to try and deflect attention from the damaging statements found in the leaked documents.
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A public official may not appoint, employ, promote, advance, or advocate for appointment, employment, promotion, or advancement, in or to a civilian position in the agency in which he is serving or over which he exercises jurisdiction or control any individual who is a relative of the public official.
Let's see...

Exceptions to this...

Start with Robert Kennedy (Attorney General during John Kennedy's administration)
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Old 11-11-16, 09:43 AM   #21
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If Trump isn't up to the job, he can be voted out,, and we will vote in some one who can..Funny alot of countries can't do that,,, it's also funny,, some of the folk we've voted in forgot they were sent there to serve not to rule.
Believe me, if Trump does not live up to his hype, I will be voting Democrat in 4 years.
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Believe me, if Trump does not live up to his hype, I will be voting Democrat in 4 years.
I won't be going that far...

I can find all sorts of other candidates other than Democrats.

They've been on the wrong side of issues since before the Civil War and then they try to convince everyone that they have always been the party of the people... Pure crapola.
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Swastikas and cars driving around with Kill Kill Kill written on them, hardly looks like peace is on the way.
I googled "riots in wake of election" and got dozens of hits on Hillary supporters burning things and causing trouble in protest. Yes, there are stupid people who do stupid things, and they are not limited by race, creed, color or political affiliation.

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I dont think Trump would actually want for any of this to be happening, but now it is
if you don't think Trump would want this, then why do you keep blaming him? What's done is done, and what comes next remains to be seen. We can wait and keep a close eye on things, or we can make useless predictions and vent our own hate. That choice is up to each of us.
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Old 11-11-16, 09:59 AM   #24
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Let's see...

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Start with Robert Kennedy (Attorney General during John Kennedy's administration)
From what I understand the law I quoted was passed in 1967. Robert Kennedy served as Attorney General from 1961 to 1964. Know any others?
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You dont want to tell me that you really are naive enough to assume just because there is a law banning criminal behaviour, there is no criminal behaviour anmyore?

These people are FAMILY. They talk together, they eat together, they share holidays together and so on. Son number 1 may suggest an issue he has with his directoring duties, and president Trump makes a mental note of it, and so new legislation may get started. You cannot prevent this by filling the date into a form and poutting an official stamp on it and then think this prevents it. It doesn't.

Or his daughter, said to have good chances to get an influential job as press secretary of the WH, or however they call the job. Family members sharing jobs in politicis or in business while you are president - that is always a very critical issue, and easily leads to monarchy-like dynasties, and nepotism. Of course - nobody will admit he pulled the cat'S tail. At best he will admit that maybe he just held it tight. If the cat had not put the tail in his hand all by itself...

Laws do not change that. There are so many ways to suggest things without needing to suggest them. And to command for things without ever giving an actual order. A raise of the eyebrow. A casual glance with the eyes. A long delay before answering. And the others knows what to do, even if it never gets spoken out.
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You dont want to tell me that you really are naive enough to assume just because there is a law banning criminal behaviour, there is no criminal behaviour anmyore?

These people are FAMILY. They talk together, they eat together, they share holidays together and so on. Son number 1 may suggest an issue he has with his directoring duties, and president Trump makes a mental note of it, and so new legislation may get started. You cannot prevent this by filling the date into a form and poutting an official stamp on it and then think this prevents it. It doesn't.
And I hope that you are not naive enough to believe that what you are suggesting has never happened before. There is a very big difference between an actual official appointment to a position and hearing and accepting advice from friends and family members. Yes/no?
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And I hope that you are not naive enough to believe that what you are suggesting has never happened before. There is a very big difference between an actual official appointment to a position and hearing and accepting advice from friends and family members. Yes/no?
So if the presdient gets told by family that the empire he handed them over suffers profits not made and then informally but effectively adjusts his policy so that his former empire whith which he formally is no longer connected must not "suffer" - that now is just "family advise", eh?

Not to mention to do his former empire favours regarding said business empires' stock holdings and business ties with countries the Us would or should not get linked with? As I said: over 500 of such names? Just "family advise" again, I assume?

Nepotism that would be, plain and simple.

Bureaucrats never deal with reality. Only with their model of it. Thats why their rules so often do not connect to real life. And that is especially true for politics. Reality does not care for ideas and ideals and ideologies. Reality is, and it is indecent enough to not ask for permission to be that.
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Old 11-11-16, 12:14 PM   #28
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So if the presdient gets told by family that the empire he handed them over suffers profits not made and then informally but effectively adjusts his policy so that his former empire whith which he formally is no longer connected must not "suffer" - that now is just "family advise", eh?

Not to mention to do his former empire favours regarding said business empires' stock holdings and business ties with countries the Us would or should not get linked with? As I said: over 500 of such names? Just "family advise" again, I assume?

Nepotism that would be, plain and simple.
I don't think that anyone is foolish enough to believe that it doesn't happen. The law was put in place to prevent any 'official' Nepotism. It happens all the time , everywhere and from the president down to the dog catcher. Don't worry about the Trumps. They do just fine.
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Old 11-11-16, 03:53 PM   #29
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Need to siddown and shuddup.

It Makes me glad that I didn't get involved this go around.

No one can point a finger at me.
Besides, I was left with no choice but to abstain because I could not choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.
Our flag is still red, white and blue. Our population is still black, white and numerous shades of brown and we elevated our one orange guy to the top of the heap.
I say to our cousins around the world, "Deal with it! and mind your own knitting."
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They will eventually, the initial shock and outrage will die down, there'll be another flare-up around inauguration but this isn't going to be a protest and riots for four years, it'll be flare ups as situations arise. Depends on what stupid things Trump might say to insult sections of society, or react inappropriately to certain events.
Who knows, maybe some liberals will take over a government building on a national park or something.
We've had eight years of the right complaining, so now get ready for at least four years of the left doing the same.
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