UK Politics Thread - Page 376

Oberon · 11-05-16, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

True that but what other military areas will suffer financially as a consequence?

That is a good question, I think the RAF has probably been the one to take the most blows, but the army itself has lost a lot in terms of manpower, and has been transformed from a force which is meant to deploy into Europe and fight the Soviets to a rapid reaction force more akin to the deployment to the Falklands in '82. The wars in the Middle East have seen a move away from heavy armour towards IFVs and the airforce is moving from contesting airspace dominance towards policing a dominated airspace. Naturally, now that we've got all this set in motion we're going to stay out of the Middle East and return our attention to the Russian hordes.
What's that saying? Constantly fighting the last war?

MGR1 · 11-05-16, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Do you think that when Brexit does happen and the farming subsidies are cut or are stopped entirely that the farming community will swing to SNP or will they go down the tubes too quickly for it to matter? I can see the fishing communities staying Tory because they'll be hoping to get less strict quotas, but I don't think that Westminster is going to be able to change much when it comes to fishing based quotas, but they might well be able to exercise greater control of British fishing waters which will please the fishermen...if...of course, we can get the coverage to monitor and patrol it.

The simplest way to put it would be: the North East of Scotland voted SNP because Glasgow voted Labour. Now that Glasgow is voting for the SNP, the North East will start voting for someone else! It's also a former Unionist stronghold, so swinging back to the Tories is not outwith the realm of fiction.

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Originally Posted by Oberon

It's getting there, I mean, we've got two good carriers, some good destroyers and orders down for some new frigates, the Astutes are coming out on time and the Dreadnought has been confirmed. If we can keep both carriers and the F35s turn out alright then we'll have a fairly potent force, if somewhat stretched.

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

True that but what other military areas will suffer financially as a consequence?

The problem isn't money so much as personnel retention. The services are hemorrhaging people left, right and centre.

Mike.

yubba · 11-05-16, 11:48 AM

You do know that you are being invaded or Trojan Horsed ???? Don't you ???

Oberon · 11-05-16, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MGR1

The simplest way to put it would be: the North East of Scotland voted SNP because Glasgow voted Labour. Now that Glasgow is voting for the SNP, the North East will start voting for someone else! It's also a former Unionist stronghold, so swinging back to the Tories is not outwith the realm of fiction.

The problem isn't money so much as personnel retention. The services are hemorrhaging people left, right and centre.

Mike.

Aaaah, the old "You voted for x so we're voting for y" Stubborn thy name is Scotland.

Good point on retention, and I think for the airforce that will slowly become less of a problem with the increase of drone tech and warfare, but for the other branches...problem.

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Originally Posted by yubba

You do know that you are being invaded or Trojan Horsed ???? Don't you ???

Calm down dear, have a cup of tea.

Jimbuna · 11-06-16, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Calm down dear, have a cup of tea.

Precisely

Catfish · 11-06-16, 02:00 PM

Anarchy in the UK:

"Calm down dear, have a cup of tea."
"No."

11-06-16, 04:50 PM

I suspect the invasion may have already started. I keep seeing bright flashes outside, and hearing explosions. I probably have time to fill my thermos flask and check the emergency digestive biscuit stash, but if you don't hear from me again, let history remember that I went down fighting. Or at least, frowning deeply and muttering rude words under my breath.

Oberon · 11-06-16, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AndyJWest

I suspect the invasion may have already started. I keep seeing bright flashes outside, and hearing explosions. I probably have time to fill my thermos flask and check the emergency digestive biscuit stash, but if you don't hear from me again, let history remember that I went down fighting. Or at least, frowning deeply and muttering rude words under my breath.

We shall fight them in the Costas, and in the Lidls, we shall defend our biscuits, we will never surrendah! Even if a judicial court tells us to!

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Anarchy in the UK:

"Calm down dear, have a cup of tea."
"No."

Meanwhile, I did like Newsnights ending the other day:

Jimbuna · 11-07-16, 01:54 PM

Definitely a part of Thatcher in this lady me thinks

Brexit must happen on time, Theresa May insists.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37890199

Catfish · 11-07-16, 02:58 PM

^ to me it looks like she likes to keep all to herself, and make decisions herself, and alone.

Jimbuna · 11-07-16, 03:06 PM

^ Can't say either way at the moment.....I'm still trying to work out how she ticks.

STEED · 11-07-16, 05:25 PM

So Labour is voting against Article 50, hang on they have changed their minds and now voting for Article 50. Can they please make their minds up and stop pouncing around.

Oberon · 11-07-16, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED

So Labour is voting against Article 50, hang on they have changed their minds and now voting for Article 50. Can they please make their minds up and stop pouncing around.

That'll be the day. Perhaps we can fast forward to a general election so Labour can get a hiding and then reshuffle itself back into something electable?

MGR1 · 11-08-16, 04:41 AM

It'll be interesting to see what happens in the local authority elections next year. Judging from polling, there are early indications that Labour's electoral execution in Scotland will continue. I haven't seen any mention of what might happen in England and Wales yet, though.

If Labour does as poorly south of the border as it's expected to do north of it then "somethng" will have to give. Whether that's Corbyn or party unity remains to be seen.

Mike.

Jimbuna · 11-08-16, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

So Labour is voting against Article 50, hang on they have changed their minds and now voting for Article 50. Can they please make their minds up and stop pouncing around.

Yeah, I saw Corbyn on tv the other night stating they would support the government and was surprosed 'Mr Hypocrisy' didn't start bleeding from his eyes.

11-06-16, 02:00 PM	#5631
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,819 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Anarchy in the UK: "Calm down dear, have a cup of tea." "No." __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,291 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Definitely a part of Thatcher in this lady me thinks Brexit must happen on time, Theresa May insists. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37890199 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

11-07-16, 02:58 PM	#5635
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,819 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ to me it looks like she likes to keep all to herself, and make decisions herself, and alone. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

11-07-16, 03:06 PM	#5636
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,291 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	^ Can't say either way at the moment.....I'm still trying to work out how she ticks. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

11-07-16, 05:25 PM	#5637
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	So Labour is voting against Article 50, hang on they have changed their minds and now voting for Article 50. Can they please make their minds up and stop pouncing around. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

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yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	You do know that you are being invaded or Trojan Horsed ???? Don't you ???

11-06-16, 04:50 PM	#5632
AndyJWest Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I suspect the invasion may have already started. I keep seeing bright flashes outside, and hearing explosions. I probably have time to fill my thermos flask and check the emergency digestive biscuit stash, but if you don't hear from me again, let history remember that I went down fighting. Or at least, frowning deeply and muttering rude words under my breath.

11-08-16, 04:41 AM	#5639
MGR1 Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland, United Kingdom Posts: 980 Downloads: 252 Uploads: 0	It'll be interesting to see what happens in the local authority elections next year. Judging from polling, there are early indications that Labour's electoral execution in Scotland will continue. I haven't seen any mention of what might happen in England and Wales yet, though. If Labour does as poorly south of the border as it's expected to do north of it then "somethng" will have to give. Whether that's Corbyn or party unity remains to be seen. Mike. __________________ "I am the battleship Jean Bart. This name originates from a certain 'respected' privateer... Yes? You want to know what privateers are? Hmph, they are pirates that rob openly under the banner of their country." Jean Bart from the mobile game Azur Lane.