Presidential debate October 18th Las Vegas

[August]

Originally Posted by Hottentot

These discussions would become much more meaningful if someone finally told August that Europe is not a country.

Right, says the guy whose country has surrendered it's sovereignty to the European Union.

My country, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts is the 6th star from the left, top row:


Which star is Finlands?


For the first 50 or so years US states acted like they were still their own countries as well. Then some tried to leave the Union (there's that word again) and we all know how that worked out...

[Oberon]

So, the United States is a bad thing?

[Dowly]

@August: For your stupidity, I think you should be shot.

(really, shot.)

You are a ****ing idiot.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Dowly

@August: For your stupidity, I think you should be shot.

(really, shot.)

You are a ****ing idiot.

Yikes! that's a bit much.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Yikes! that's a bit much.

Considering he just slapped the faces of every dead veteran who fought for independent Finland...
What he deserves. And he gets what he wants, I go in the brig and he gets to post.

Not the first time he gets away with ****.

Not the first one from August.

Originally Posted by Platapus

Yikes! that's a bit much.

Depends on the number of bullets, maybe?

Originally Posted by August

Right, says the guy whose country has surrendered it's sovereignty to the European Union.

My country, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts is the 6th star from the left, top row:


Which star is Finlands?

None.
Because the stars don't represent a country, nor a number of countries, they represent values and ideals.
But how would you know.

[Betonov]

I have been informed by my Dutch and English allies, that a certain Finn member I'm quite fond of was brigged for finally snaping under the mass of the malarkey that has been accumulated on this forum of late.
It was easy to ignore Neals defence of Skybird, because charity to the mentally challenged is noble.
But I just had to come out of self imposed banishment to say what's been on my mind and support Dowly.

This site is going to hell in a maglev handbasket due to a simple reason that certain members are allowed to smear crap all over the forum and get away with it becasue they call it excrement, and then other members get briged for calling it like it is: BULL**** !!!!
That's why members leave this place. Because the *******s are allowed to paint the site brown and we have our hands tied because ''themz da rulz''
Crap was never and never will be family friendly, even if you box it in wrapping paper with flowers and happy bears.

And Dowly, I'll be seeing you in the brig shortly. I'll be bringing vodka and Sasha Grey

[Oberon]

To be honest it was rather a daft comparison to make, I mean Mass was on the Union side anyway so it didn't surrender its powers to Washington in any real form because there was no fight, therefore there was no surrender.
The Southern states, perhaps the argument could be made, and indeed would be made by anyone from them that their independence was stripped of them by the Yankees and they were subjugated by Washington.
Furthermore, by indicating that the European Union is a bad thing, by using the terminology of 'surrendering its sovereignty' (which is the kind of argument used by our old friend the Brexiters, and look how well that particular project is turning out) then you make the argument that the United States of America is the forced surrenderance of sovereignty by the individual states to Washington and thus the solution is the dissolution of the United States back into individual states...

Now, let me tell you as a European how well that goes, because we have a long and varied history of making the most out of everything that divides us and using it as an excellent excuse to brutally murder each other. To the point that most of the deaths by war on this planet are very likely concentrated in Europe. So, anything that unifies nations and prevents conflict between them is good in my opinion, because the alternative was something we put to bed in 1945 (1999 if you count the Balkans as European) and I pray we never have to visit again.

Can you, hand on heart, say that if the US dissolved tomorrow, that eventually individual states would start fighting each other? Some would form alliances, with other states or with foreign powers and other nations would be more than happy to take advantage of this weakness. I imagine lots of Little Green Men and a sudden influx of Russian made firearms would begin appearing on the west and east coasts.

Besides, what is the strength of Massachusetts compared to the strength of the United States? Pretty damn pitiful really, and the same applies to any individual nation within the EU, alone we are weak, together we are strong, or to quote an American:

"We must, indeed, all hang together or most assuredly, we shall all hang seperately."

So, no, Finland didn't surrender its sovereignty, it joined a greater sovereignty, a stronger sovereignty. I just wish that more people in Europe could see it that way, rather than all this xenophobia and scaremongering that's going on instead.

[Schroeder]

Subsim GT is taking a route for the worse. A lot of respect has gone down the drain and justified so in some cases IMHO. It's sad to see good members leaving because of that but I also don't have a proper solution to that problem.
I can only appeal to the members to stay fair to one another and to put people who grind their gears on the ignore list or ignore them manually. We will never all agree on everything and I often find myself typing a response to some of the nonsense I sometimes read here but then I press the x on the top right corner because it's just not worth it.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Subsim GT is taking a route for the worse. A lot of respect has gone down the drain and justified so in some cases IMHO. It's sad to see good members leaving because of that but I also don't have a proper solution to that problem.

I can only appeal to the members to stay fair to one another and to put people who grind their gears on the ignore list or ignore them manually. We will never all agree on everything and I often find myself typing a response to some of the nonsense I sometimes read here but then I press the x on the top right corner because it's just not worth it.

People being rude in a passive/aggressive way is not unusual on the internet, nor is it avoidable here. But there are limits. You have the right idea; rebut their point of view or ignore them, but hate speech is not going to fly here, even by people who think they are the sole occupants of the moral high ground.

[Oberon]

What about incitement to hatred?

[Onkel Neal]

I'm sure there's some of that, if there's a clear way to distinguish that between opinion, snark, sarcasm, etc , let us know.

[Rockstar]

You're kidding me words inciting someone to become hateful? So much so that simple words would cause them rise up and shoot another or wish them dead? Really? Here on the GT? Shame on them, they have weak will.

Guess some should have followed Skybird's example

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by August

My country, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts is the 6th star from the left, top row:

You mean state.

Which star is Finlands?

First that's not the EU flag, that's an rejected design that has never been officialy adapted.

Second the 12 Stars on the EU flag do NOT represent the amount of member states.
While between '86 to '94 we happen to have had 12 members at that time the stars on the EU flag however never did represent the amount of memeber states though it was considered.

Third while Finland is a member of the EU it's still a sovereign country and NOT a state of the EU.