TRAINING_ASW

[rentacow]

p7p8, I quite enjoyed reading your after action reports and comments on these missions. Thank you for posting the reports. However, as a fellow mission creator, (many of us here have experience in the editor, including yourself.) I take issue with a few of your comments.

Originally Posted by p7p8

Please stop with "training missions" and do something more complicated for SP or MP modes

Nobody here is going to stop you from doing so.

BTW: this kind of "training" takes in editor 3-5 minutes (for yoursefl do not need text messages and "win/lost" triggers)

This is quite unfair to complain about missions that are being shared here with all and completely for free. And can be modified at will and reposted as an alternate version. With permission from the original author of course, subsim provides the means to do this.

sorry for my bad english

Your english is outstanding.

[USA~Driver]

Originally Posted by rentacow

This is quite unfair to complain about missions that are being shared here with all and completely for free.

Thanks rentacow. Actually its rude and seriously ungrateful. Call it what it is.

@p7p8 - Bad form and unacceptable. Along with that English perhaps some manners might be your next conquest.

[p7p8]

I fixed your mission and I have reviewed others completly for free and you call it "rude and seriously ungrateful".

I know that kind of missions are not good for teaching players "how to do something" in MP session. I have some experience in teaching players about DW in MP mode (tactics and mechanics). Furthermore that missions are harmfull (in some sense) because AI act copmletly different than other players. For exapmle: AI can directly attack you by subroc after launching torpedo or ASM. Normaly player have only bearing. AI have bearing, speed, course and range!

Afrerall if you want "sweet review" of your missions please read this:

1) ASW training US - excelent mission! -
2) ASW training RU - outstanding!
3) ASuW training - very nice! - good work!
4) T'LAM training - marvelous!

Is this what you want to read?

[USA~Driver]

Originally Posted by p7p8

I fixed your mission and I have reviewed others completly for free and you call it "rude and seriously ungrateful".

YES I AM.

Excuse me - Did I charge you for the missions to begin with? NO? Then I'd say you got your value out of the deal. Be grateful I spent "3 to 5 minutes" of my own time to your benefit at all. Lastly, whatever I upload here in the future is my prerogative, I don't do requests. Go satisfy your own hunger.

I got an idea, start your own training series or whatever if you think you're all that, Mr. Big Shooter. Lets see what you got. But be aware, I am highly advanced in dangerous waters, and there is absolutely nothing you can tell me that I don't already know six ways from Sunday.

Whatever. We're done here - Thank you for playing my missions.

[p7p8]

Chill Out Man!
I know you are superb player and mission designer.

Be grateful I spent "3 to 5 minutes" of my own time to your benefit at all

I'm very, very, very grateful

I got an idea, start your own training series or whatever if you think you're all that, Mr. Big Shooter.

I did it almost year ago for polish community

I am highly advanced in dangerous waters, and there is absolutely nothing you can tell me that I don't already know

I would like learn something from you, especially in DW multiplayer session.
Are you ready to take the gauntlet?

BTW: Why you share your mission if you cannot stand any criticism? I know this is training so for many players means little boring. It is normal for me, why you are so pissed?

Originally Posted by USA~Driver

YES I AM.

Excuse me - Did I charge you for the missions to begin with? NO? Then I'd say you got your value out of the deal. Be grateful I spent "3 to 5 minutes" of my own time to your benefit at all. Lastly, whatever I upload here in the future is my prerogative, I don't do requests. Go satisfy your own hunger.

I got an idea, start your own training series or whatever if you think you're all that, Mr. Big Shooter. Lets see what you got. But be aware, I am highly advanced in dangerous waters, and there is absolutely nothing you can tell me that I don't already know six ways from Sunday.

Whatever. We're done here - Thank you for playing my missions.

Why are you so severely hostile?

No matter what you create, feedback and criticism is a part of it.
If you can't handle it, don't share things, really.
His words might not have been the most diplomatic, but the wasn't trashing it or rude or something.
Also, offense is taken, not given. Grow some skin.

It is one thing when you receive completely nonconstructive criticism, sure, but even then, just ignore it if it is of zero value.
Otherwise, be glad you get feedback at all? Others create missions and never know how it was received.

My 2 cents (as a mission designer as well).

[USA~Driver]

Hostile? I'm just keeping it real.

These mission were not created to be a demonstration in mission building, multiplayer exercises, or anything complex, or anything to impress. They were developed for a very specific market in mind, and that was made perfectly clear in the disclaimer. I even went out of my way to warn players before hand not to expect very much. So the fact someone feels the need to complain that they weren't complex enough, and that they are "harmful", and I need to Please stop with "training missions" and do something more complicated for SP or MP modes. That's not a critique of the missions, that's being rude, and I'm going to rightly push back on that. Fact is these missions were headed to the bins until another forum member thought someone would like some throwaway missions to play with. That was it. To generate some activity in this dead forum. Totally and completely irrelevant to me anyone likes them or not. Its the rude attitude, obviously expecting more than was offered. The complaints are silly, or unfair as someone else put it. Criticize the missions sure, but don't get mad because you got exactly what was told to you at the very outset.

[BestofBest]

Originally Posted by p7p8

I fixed your mission and I have reviewed others completly for free and you call it "rude and seriously ungrateful".

I know that kind of missions are not good for teaching players "how to do something" in MP session. I have some experience in teaching players about DW in MP mode (tactics and mechanics). Furthermore that missions are harmfull (in some sense) because AI act copmletly different than other players. For exapmle: AI can directly attack you by subroc after launching torpedo or ASM. Normaly player have only bearing. AI have bearing, speed, course and range!

Afrerall if you want "sweet review" of your missions please read this:

1) ASW training US - excelent mission! -
2) ASW training RU - outstanding!
3) ASuW training - very nice! - good work!
4) T'LAM training - marvelous!

Is this what you want to read?

to be honest to say,his Missions helped me a lot for Training.
He did not claim that it is complex, this mission should be used only for training, for me and for others. And also I was killed in one of the mission, it was not easy like it is now. But I think you seem like a Pro to me. When you can do better then do it.
And complex multiplayer missions we've had enough, so it had to go out every 2 or the game crashed after time, complex MP missions just do not work.
Dangerous Waters has no save function in the game, you cant savegame in multiplayer.
And such people like you, we've also had enough, if you are Pro, then we prove that in the game.
It is no wonder why hostile is if such there people like you are.
This mission should help others like me to practice more was here not talking.
I am always grateful when someone gives me a mission, and you do that in the future also

sry my english is not good,me german,but you know what i mean.

[Aktungbby]

BestofBest!