Manual Targeting in TMO different from stock game?

[Gray Lensman]

Originally Posted by Gray Lensman

Did not know that one... Thanks

Seriously, though, to me, the weather model in this game is the only thing seriously flawed enough to ruin the gameplay. I'm hoping that's one of the things addressed in Webster/Rockin Robbins new mod.

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

You know, that one wasn't even on the radar. But now it is!

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The actual weather graphic effects especially TMO's are quite OK, it's the weather duration timing that's the real problem, both directions, meaning it stays wind flat 0 way to long also, just as bad as pegged out 15 for game weeks.

Don't know if its possible but there needs to be a way of the weather generator algorithm or internal lookup charts to minimize the super long time maxing out. Doesn't matter if a maxed out effect suddenly turns the other way. That's somewhat realistic at the onset/trailing time of storms, but the only time a sub might have the possibility of the long term weather effects in game would be IF it was traveling in the same direction as the prevailing winds to/from it's base. I wouldn't even advocate for that in game either because it is the most boring part of the game traversing to/from the home base, no need to pester the gamer with a storm following him back from Japan to Midway

I believe Ctrl-N is a stock keyboard command and I've used it TMO as well. Perhaps you have a different keyboard key assignment?

[Gray Lensman]

Originally Posted by jldjs

I believe Ctrl-N is a stock keyboard command and I've used it TMO as well. Perhaps you have a different keyboard key assignment?

Well that's helping to pin down the lack of it on my TMO installation

Even though I'm running TMO, it's in combination with RSRDC overlaying it. This probably confirms what Rockin Robbins implied in another thread that RSRDC did not just stick to varying the campaign files when combined with TMO, it also changed Ducimus' underlying keystroke modifications also and now I'm suspecting other things.

This is relatively minor, but now I'm really wondering what else really was deliberately changed in TMO's behavior when RSRDC was overlaid on top of it.
Everything I read in the various RSRDC documentation files implied that

Quote: (from some RSRDC documentation)

"Run Silent, Run Deep, the Campaign" (RSRDC) is a major rewrite of the campaign layers of SH4 and is designed to overcome the following major "stock" campaign problems..."

Notice the wording "campaign layers", I specifically took that to mean that RSRDC was JUST a campaign layer overwrite, and so was specifically designed to overlay the stock or other MODs without changing their other underlying behaviors. Evidence that the key assignments were changed contradicts the implication that RSRDC "is just a campaign layer overwrite".

Rockin Robbins is probably right when he implied that when playing the TMO/RSRDC combo you are no longer playing TMO... In his (Rockin Robbins) words, that combo is like an "alien" taking over the TMO body.

to Rockin Robbins for opening my eyes to pay attention to noticing subtle differences in TMO

[Gray Lensman]

Originally Posted by jldjs

Don't quit in a rage, try the Ctrl-N cheat to immediately change the weather!!

Tried this. using TMO/RSRDC. No Joy.

All I got was the "Yes, Sir, Sweeping" audio

Is there a particular MOD where this Ctrl-N has been redefined?

[razark]

Originally Posted by Gray Lensman

Tried this. using TMO/RSRDC. No Joy.

I believe you need to be on an outside view (bridge/deck gun/external camera) for it to work. That's been my experience, anyway.

[Gray Lensman]

Originally Posted by razark

I believe you need to be on an outside view (bridge/deck gun/external camera) for it to work. That's been my experience, anyway.

Okay, decided to do a reinstall of TMO (without the resident evil alien takeover RSRDC mod).

It works as you described, still stating "Yes, Sir, Sweeping" however though...LOL

I guess I can take that literally as the only thing the <Ctrl><N> thing seems to do with the weather is take everything to 0 weather. "Sweeping the weather effects away so to speak, LOL". I was really kind of hoping that it was a random weather gererator change key, so that one could invoke it a few times in succession until you just came off the maxed out maximum and/or minimum weather settings. This wouldn't help at all for those periods that equally annoy me... Weeks on end of 0 weather. That's NOT real either.

[razark]

Originally Posted by Gray Lensman

still stating "Yes, Sir, Sweeping" however though...

I think TMO uses it as the command for "Normal sonar sweep", so it will give you that response.

I'm not sure if clearing the weather was a bug, or intentional, or something else.