U-boat damage and collisions

mike_espo · 04-28-06, 06:08 PM

I am in a IXB career, just got rammed by a C2 while at 12m periscope depth while attacking a convoy.

I received no hull integrity damage and minor damage to stern torpedo compartment and stern quarters only. Took 10 seconds to repair.

Another test with IXB, a C3 at 12 knots rammed me at right angles....NO hull integrity damage??!!

I have RuB 1.45 installed and NYGM crew management mod. I should think that this type of damage would be very severe, and at least have some hull integrity loss.

Is it possible to edit the zones file or something to alter this??
thanks

Heibges · 04-28-06, 06:12 PM

The Hollywood Damage model will make your systems take more damage, and there will be more flooding, but not necessarily more hull integrity damage.

But the whole flooding dynamic of Hollywood is very exciting.

I have had to save my boat a couple of times.

mike_espo · 04-30-06, 03:18 PM

I downloaded Hollywoods damage mod. Was great for late war, as it made surviving a little easier. However, with this mod, I seemed to get less damage by collisions.

BigBadVuk · 05-01-06, 09:39 AM

What damage model does have SW mod(updated to 1.1)?

05-01-06, 12:41 PM

Having a 7000 ton tanker ram your 1200 ton u-boat should put you on the bottom...period.

I would love to see this fixed.

mike_espo · 05-01-06, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Having a 7000 ton tanker ram your 1200 ton u-boat should put you on the bottom...period.

I would love to see this fixed.

Yep. Unfortunately, no hull integrity damage, but I did incur some damage, all repairable.

I was hoping one of the modders could suggest a edit of some file.....

Heibges · 05-01-06, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mike_espo

I downloaded Hollywoods damage mod. Was great for late war, as it made surviving a little easier. However, with this mod, I seemed to get less damage by collisions.

Interesting. Did you get a lot of flooding? I have found this mod made it harder, but I have only been rammed a couple of times, so maybe this problem is not fixed by Hollywood.

gouldjg · 05-01-06, 04:36 PM

To get better collision damage,

Your sub hit points has to be so low that everything such as dc will blow sub out of water. The whole damage model would need to be reworked in balanced.

When this is done, everything including the DC, shells and ship damage etc etc will have to be rebalanced within the game.

It is not immpossible nowadays

with all the tools available but does require some time. I was thinking of looking into this in june as it is one of the majority main bugs that I think people including myself would like to be solved.

I will run a simple test and let you know if it is succesfull or not.

mike_espo · 05-01-06, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Heibges

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Originally Posted by mike_espo

I downloaded Hollywoods damage mod. Was great for late war, as it made surviving a little easier. However, with this mod, I seemed to get less damage by collisions.

Interesting. Did you get a lot of flooding? I have found this mod made it harder, but I have only been rammed a couple of times, so maybe this problem is not fixed by Hollywood.

Yes, just did a test with Hollywoods RuB.... not only no damage from collision, but no damage period... :hmm:

gouldjg · 05-01-06, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mike_espo

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Originally Posted by Heibges

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Originally Posted by mike_espo

I downloaded Hollywoods damage mod. Was great for late war, as it made surviving a little easier. However, with this mod, I seemed to get less damage by collisions.

Interesting. Did you get a lot of flooding? I have found this mod made it harder, but I have only been rammed a couple of times, so maybe this problem is not fixed by Hollywood.

Yes, just did a test with Hollywoods RuB.... not only no damage from collision, but no damage period... :hmm:

That is unusual

Can I ask what version you used and if others are getting this no damage period scenario because of Hollywood.

By counts, you are supposed to take more damage with hollywood and sink via flooding yet still just maybe manage to escape. However, it has to be with the right DC settings and shell.

Heibges · 05-01-06, 07:05 PM

This is my KISS setup. I get damage, and lots of flooding. Did I mention how much I love the flooding?

SH3 1.4b
RuB 1.45
SH3 Commander

mike_espo · 05-01-06, 07:34 PM

Don't think Hollywood has anything to do with it. I don't get any hull integrity damage with collisions. I just tried enabling Hollywood damage model to see if I would get any hull integrity damage from collisions.

As is, I have 1.4b, SH commander 2.5, RuB 1.45z, NYGM crew management, SH3 Battery fix, and a number of smaller mods for sound, and sky.

From what Gouldjg wrote, it is a hardcoded thing.....

I thought it would be a simple matter with the zon or zones cfg.

04-28-06, 06:08 PM	#1
mike_espo Sonar Guy Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chicago, USA Posts: 396 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	U-boat damage and collisions I am in a IXB career, just got rammed by a C2 while at 12m periscope depth while attacking a convoy. I received no hull integrity damage and minor damage to stern torpedo compartment and stern quarters only. Took 10 seconds to repair. Another test with IXB, a C3 at 12 knots rammed me at right angles....NO hull integrity damage??!! I have RuB 1.45 installed and NYGM crew management mod. I should think that this type of damage would be very severe, and at least have some hull integrity loss. Is it possible to edit the zones file or something to alter this?? thanks

04-28-06, 06:12 PM	#2
Heibges Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 1,633 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	The Hollywood Damage model will make your systems take more damage, and there will be more flooding, but not necessarily more hull integrity damage. But the whole flooding dynamic of Hollywood is very exciting. I have had to save my boat a couple of times. __________________ U.Kdt.Hdb B. I. 28) This possibility of using the hydrophone to help in detecting surface ships should, however, be restricted to those cases where the submarine is unavoidably compelled to stay below the surface. http://www.hackworth.com/

05-01-06, 09:39 AM	#4
BigBadVuk Ensign Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Belgrade,Serbia Posts: 222 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	What damage model does have SW mod(updated to 1.1)? __________________ Any ship can submerge.. Only submarine can surface!

05-01-06, 04:36 PM	#8
gouldjg Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 881 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	To get better collision damage, Your sub hit points has to be so low that everything such as dc will blow sub out of water. The whole damage model would need to be reworked in balanced. When this is done, everything including the DC, shells and ship damage etc etc will have to be rebalanced within the game. It is not immpossible nowadays with all the tools available but does require some time. I was thinking of looking into this in june as it is one of the majority main bugs that I think people including myself would like to be solved. I will run a simple test and let you know if it is succesfull or not. __________________ My Mods Gouldjg's Crew Ability Balancing Mod for SH5 1.2 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=169630

05-01-06, 07:05 PM	#11
Heibges Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 1,633 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	This is my KISS setup. I get damage, and lots of flooding. Did I mention how much I love the flooding? SH3 1.4b RuB 1.45 SH3 Commander __________________ U.Kdt.Hdb B. I. 28) This possibility of using the hydrophone to help in detecting surface ships should, however, be restricted to those cases where the submarine is unavoidably compelled to stay below the surface. http://www.hackworth.com/

04-30-06, 03:18 PM	#3
mike_espo Sonar Guy Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chicago, USA Posts: 396 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	I downloaded Hollywoods damage mod. Was great for late war, as it made surviving a little easier. However, with this mod, I seemed to get less damage by collisions.

05-01-06, 12:41 PM	#5
Sailor Steve Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Having a 7000 ton tanker ram your 1200 ton u-boat should put you on the bottom...period. I would love to see this fixed.

05-01-06, 07:34 PM	#12
mike_espo Sonar Guy Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chicago, USA Posts: 396 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	Don't think Hollywood has anything to do with it. I don't get any hull integrity damage with collisions. I just tried enabling Hollywood damage model to see if I would get any hull integrity damage from collisions. As is, I have 1.4b, SH commander 2.5, RuB 1.45z, NYGM crew management, SH3 Battery fix, and a number of smaller mods for sound, and sky. From what Gouldjg wrote, it is a hardcoded thing..... I thought it would be a simple matter with the zon or zones cfg.