The Marriage of Microsoft and Linux

Catfish · 08-29-16, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashikaga

Has anyone of you heard about that ridiculous idea by the EU to tax hyperlinks ?.

Why not? I have long since abandoned any hope for a government to make sense, be it taxes or politics.

France had a windows tax during the time of Napoleon, this is why most houses of the time have only windows to the backyard. Those with a front to the street were taxed.

In Germany you still pay taxes for Willliam 2nd's battle fleet, if you buy sparkling wine, in 2016.

During the airlift to help Berlin after WW2 in Gremany there was a tax introduced for paying that, declared as vehicle tax. This tax was already being paid with taxes on fuel before, but it was added and we still pay that.

I think the governments should not care about making sense at all any more when introducing taxes, no one blieves them anyway. Why not a soap bubble tax. Those who have it pay because they have, those who don't have it pay for it because they don't have it.
It's so easy.

Skybird · 08-29-16, 04:56 AM

The two big problems with Linux, even Mint, are the software compatability thing, both in business and in private (games), which will not solve itself when people always just complain - but then again chose with their wallet to fiance Mcrosoft. Why should a company choose to develope for Linux if it sees people paying money for stuff done under Windows, and under Windows development can be had for a cheaper price and with less risk? The othe rreason ist that even an advanced GUI like Mint does not go all the way, but stops in the middle. You sooner or later run into the need to operate via Terminal - DOS, that is, so to speak, and that is so very backwardly and one thing it is not: intuitive and ergonomic. This is studying needed to be done, like you needed to study and learn DOS - 30 years ago. You need to be an expert under Linux as long as you do not have an administrator working for you. Much under Linux needs to be done via an interface of a standard that was used by us kids at school 35 years ago. In this regard, ergonomics, Linux is still quite primitive and Windows is superior. Linux is nice once all your system is tuned like you want it to be, then you can run your software via GUI. But beware if you need to do soething that is no on the daily card! Or set an option the GUI does not know of. You ask the wizards hen and copy-paste magical spells you do not understand.

To me, this is the biggest failure of the many Linux developers there are. So many different banches, so many different forks, when a team does not like the graphics of icons in one set they used for their fork or distribution, the immediately start to invent a new development strain and a new Linux branch. But none of them, not a single one, ever cared to develope a GUI systematically to the end so that you can tune your system and software options to your likings and handle system resources in a way that you do not need to leave the GUI.

This superioity of Windows is undenuiable, and total. Its a great failure of Linux that they develope so many branches - but not a single GUI consequently to the end.

And I think these two things are the major two things that keep people away fromLinux. Since 20 years. Does anyone elarnthe lesson from it, amongst Linux developers? Not really.

And mybe they want it like that, I learned that they are a very helpful, but also very elitist a circle at the forums. Extremely easy to trip their wires when saying something critical about Linux, even if it is true. Linux is holy, almost untouchable. I need these people, and many of them are very helpful, to make that clear - but I feel I abuse them by indeed leaving it only to factual problems and letting them solve them for me, not using any unnecessary word anymore. Got burnt several times the past 6 months.
I recommend, still, my way: use two systems, if yu are just an oridnary usual user with no need to run any special Windows-only special software. One no-updating Windows system for game laucnhing, and another with Linux Mint for EVERYTHING else.

I meanwhile learned that a VM is not an all-cures-in-one, it comes at its own risks for your system. Do ot underestimate what it means in security loss if you run a full Windows installation under Linux, even if it is a VM only. This Windows nevertheless exposes your system to the same risks a pure Windows mahcine would do. And at least you can distribute and spread Windows malware via your Linux system that way. If you exchnage data via for exmaple USB stick with another Windows system, or ar elinked in a network to Windows systems, the concerns are even greater.

Same goes for Wine. Running Wine under Linux is NOT recommended from a scurity point of view.

Keep things physically disconnected and separate from each other. What they need to consider regarding hygiencis in a hospital, is true for digital infections in the comouter world as well.

Maybe that is good. that there are so many kinds of Linuxes

and so few users, are two reaosns why it is so safe an environment, at least safer than Windows, Chrome, Mac or Android.

Commander Wallace · 08-29-16, 07:47 AM

I found this and thought it might be helpful to people using various versions on Linux and having to compromise using a multi boot format of Linux and windows to play their games.

This article suggests that you can play silent hunter with Linux Wine.

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManag...rsion&iId=5618

HOWTO - Running Silent Hunter 3 with Wine

The game itself works, but some care must be taken during instalaltion in order to get it working correctly.
Note and disclaimer:
This has been tested only with Silent Hunter 3 - EMEA DVD edition - version 1.4b. Please contact me for your success regarding the US or the downlaod editions of this game.
First step: Install the game.
This is easy: push the DVD in and run "wine setup.exe". Install all the options including Directx9 video codecs and Acrobat Reader 7 (this one might be left out if you have space concerns). Installation will run swiftly and complete in a few minutes with no assle. I suggest not to install the GameShadow crap since you will not need it.
Run wineboot to reboot windows, but DO NOT RUN THE GAME YET!
Second step: Patch the game to 1.4b
Go to the Ubisoft Silent Hunter 3 homepage (see link in game description) and download the right patch for you. I have tested only the EMEA DVD 1.4b patch. The download is about 20MB and could take a while, but once you have it simply unzip and run it with wine. The patch will locate your installation and patch it to the latest (1.4b) version.
Run wineboot to reboot windows, but DO NOT RUN THE GAME YET!!
Third step: apply a NO-CD crack to the game
No, i am not suggesting to illegally play this game, nor i am suggesting to pursue any illegal or unethic behaviour. If this step is illegal in your country or if you believe it to be unethical, please stop here and forget about running Silent Hunter 3 under wine.
Unfortunately, Ubisoft has choosen a copy protection mechanism for their game that is NOT supported by wine at the moment. So, even if you own an original version of the game you must find, download and apply a NO-CD (or better NO-DVD in this case) patch. I am not giving you any direct link to any potential illegal stuff, unzip it and put all the enclosed files (some dlls and one exe) on the game directory replacing the original provided ones. I strongly suggest backing up the existing one first.
Run wineboot to reboot windows, but DO NOT RUN THE GAME YET!!
Last step: Now run the game!
Either run wine sh3.exe from the game directory or use the Start Menu shortcut, the loading screen might take some time, then the menu page will show up and... Good Luck!

Note: if "xrandr | grep 1024x" does not report 50.0 Hz as an option

(for example: " 1024x768 75.0 70.0 60.0 " )

you must fiddle with your X config until it does report 50 Hz, or apply this patch to get the game running.

Please report any success story for other editions than the EMEA DVD!

I hope you all find this helpful.

Rockin Robbins · 08-29-16, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I found this and thought it might be helpful to people using various versions on Linux and having to compromise using a multi boot format of Linux and windows to play their games.

This article suggests that you can play silent hunter with Linux Wine.

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManag...rsion&iId=5618

HOWTO - Running Silent Hunter 3 with Wine

The game itself works, but some care must be taken during instalaltion in order to get it working correctly.
Note and disclaimer:
This has been tested only with Silent Hunter 3 - EMEA DVD edition - version 1.4b. Please contact me for your success regarding the US or the downlaod editions of this game.
First step: Install the game.
This is easy: push the DVD in and run "wine setup.exe". Install all the options including Directx9 video codecs and Acrobat Reader 7 (this one might be left out if you have space concerns). Installation will run swiftly and complete in a few minutes with no assle. I suggest not to install the GameShadow crap since you will not need it.
Run wineboot to reboot windows, but DO NOT RUN THE GAME YET!
Second step: Patch the game to 1.4b
Go to the Ubisoft Silent Hunter 3 homepage (see link in game description) and download the right patch for you. I have tested only the EMEA DVD 1.4b patch. The download is about 20MB and could take a while, but once you have it simply unzip and run it with wine. The patch will locate your installation and patch it to the latest (1.4b) version.
Run wineboot to reboot windows, but DO NOT RUN THE GAME YET!!
Third step: apply a NO-CD crack to the game
No, i am not suggesting to illegally play this game, nor i am suggesting to pursue any illegal or unethic behaviour. If this step is illegal in your country or if you believe it to be unethical, please stop here and forget about running Silent Hunter 3 under wine.
Unfortunately, Ubisoft has choosen a copy protection mechanism for their game that is NOT supported by wine at the moment. So, even if you own an original version of the game you must find, download and apply a NO-CD (or better NO-DVD in this case) patch. I am not giving you any direct link to any potential illegal stuff, unzip it and put all the enclosed files (some dlls and one exe) on the game directory replacing the original provided ones. I strongly suggest backing up the existing one first.
Run wineboot to reboot windows, but DO NOT RUN THE GAME YET!!
Last step: Now run the game!
Either run wine sh3.exe from the game directory or use the Start Menu shortcut, the loading screen might take some time, then the menu page will show up and... Good Luck!

Note: if "xrandr | grep 1024x" does not report 50.0 Hz as an option

(for example: " 1024x768 75.0 70.0 60.0 " )

you must fiddle with your X config until it does report 50 Hz, or apply this patch to get the game running.

Please report any success story for other editions than the EMEA DVD!

I hope you all find this helpful.

Commander Wallace · 08-29-16, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Thanks for posting the link. I wasn't sure if the SH series and Linux were compatible given how many issues others have had including myself with SH and later versions of windows.

Ashikaga · 08-29-16, 10:24 AM

Hahahaha that cracked me up Commander Wallace !

While you are correct about that repository and updating in the background I just have to say that Ubuntu sucks. Well it did on my rig until I got rid of the entire operating system. But that was years ago. Never looked back.

Ashikaga.

Commander Wallace · 08-29-16, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashikaga

Hahahaha that cracked me up Commander Wallace !

While you are correct about that repository and updating in the background I just have to say that Ubuntu sucks. Well it did on my rig until I got rid of the entire operating system. But that was years ago. Never looked back.

Ashikaga.

What cracks you up ?

Everyone has their likes and dislikes and choices regarding operating systems is probably no different. I don't think there is one system out there that everyone is going to like. The trick is to be able streamline things to their own likings. Most feel Microsoft works against the users best interests.

Rockin Robbins · 09-22-16, 10:53 PM

Today I troubleshot the overly complicated setup procedure for Silent Hunter 4 under Ubuntu Linux. It was tough.
Place SH4 disk in drive. Find setup.exe on the disk with the file manager of your choice. I used Dolphin. Right-click setup.exe and choose "install with Wine."

Wait. It's installed. Slide the U-boat missions disk in there and do the same thing. Enter your serial number. Play.

But I went several steps further today. I copied JSGME, Large Memory Address Aware and all 3.8 GB of Fall of the Rising Sun Ultimate v0.25 beta. I installed MULTI-SH4, ran it successfully and created a second install for GFO.

It all just works. Just as easily as Windows. No command line terminal mumbo-jumbo, no screwing with configuration tweaks. It installed and ran identically to a Windows machine.

Except Ubuntu is not collecting unknown data that belongs to me, encrypting it and sending it to Microsoft twice a day at my expense. And it isn't using half the tiles in a facetiously named "start menu" to sell me things I won't buy.

The same program on Ubuntu tends to run twice as fast as it does in Windows on my machine.

Instead of serving sites that host a Windows system recovery .iso, the same one that can be created by any Windows user by themselves, with DMCA takedown demands Ubuntu encourages dozens of system recovery boot packages like RescaTux, which I used today. RescaTux can save your Windows system too when your forced upgrade locks up your machine and Microsoft leaves you completely stranded.

I'd say more but I'm taking off to play some FOTRS Ultimate on my cumbersome Linux system that created the mod yesterday.

08-29-16, 04:56 AM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,687 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The two big problems with Linux, even Mint, are the software compatability thing, both in business and in private (games), which will not solve itself when people always just complain - but then again chose with their wallet to fiance Mcrosoft. Why should a company choose to develope for Linux if it sees people paying money for stuff done under Windows, and under Windows development can be had for a cheaper price and with less risk? The othe rreason ist that even an advanced GUI like Mint does not go all the way, but stops in the middle. You sooner or later run into the need to operate via Terminal - DOS, that is, so to speak, and that is so very backwardly and one thing it is not: intuitive and ergonomic. This is studying needed to be done, like you needed to study and learn DOS - 30 years ago. You need to be an expert under Linux as long as you do not have an administrator working for you. Much under Linux needs to be done via an interface of a standard that was used by us kids at school 35 years ago. In this regard, ergonomics, Linux is still quite primitive and Windows is superior. Linux is nice once all your system is tuned like you want it to be, then you can run your software via GUI. But beware if you need to do soething that is no on the daily card! Or set an option the GUI does not know of. You ask the wizards hen and copy-paste magical spells you do not understand. To me, this is the biggest failure of the many Linux developers there are. So many different banches, so many different forks, when a team does not like the graphics of icons in one set they used for their fork or distribution, the immediately start to invent a new development strain and a new Linux branch. But none of them, not a single one, ever cared to develope a GUI systematically to the end so that you can tune your system and software options to your likings and handle system resources in a way that you do not need to leave the GUI. This superioity of Windows is undenuiable, and total. Its a great failure of Linux that they develope so many branches - but not a single GUI consequently to the end. And I think these two things are the major two things that keep people away fromLinux. Since 20 years. Does anyone elarnthe lesson from it, amongst Linux developers? Not really. And mybe they want it like that, I learned that they are a very helpful, but also very elitist a circle at the forums. Extremely easy to trip their wires when saying something critical about Linux, even if it is true. Linux is holy, almost untouchable. I need these people, and many of them are very helpful, to make that clear - but I feel I abuse them by indeed leaving it only to factual problems and letting them solve them for me, not using any unnecessary word anymore. Got burnt several times the past 6 months. I recommend, still, my way: use two systems, if yu are just an oridnary usual user with no need to run any special Windows-only special software. One no-updating Windows system for game laucnhing, and another with Linux Mint for EVERYTHING else. I meanwhile learned that a VM is not an all-cures-in-one, it comes at its own risks for your system. Do ot underestimate what it means in security loss if you run a full Windows installation under Linux, even if it is a VM only. This Windows nevertheless exposes your system to the same risks a pure Windows mahcine would do. And at least you can distribute and spread Windows malware via your Linux system that way. If you exchnage data via for exmaple USB stick with another Windows system, or ar elinked in a network to Windows systems, the concerns are even greater. Same goes for Wine. Running Wine under Linux is NOT recommended from a scurity point of view. Keep things physically disconnected and separate from each other. What they need to consider regarding hygiencis in a hospital, is true for digital infections in the comouter world as well. Maybe that is good. that there are so many kinds of Linuxes and so few users, are two reaosns why it is so safe an environment, at least safer than Windows, Chrome, Mac or Android. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

09-22-16, 10:53 PM	#8
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Today I troubleshot the overly complicated setup procedure for Silent Hunter 4 under Ubuntu Linux. It was tough. Place SH4 disk in drive. Find setup.exe on the disk with the file manager of your choice. I used Dolphin. Right-click setup.exe and choose "install with Wine." Wait. It's installed. Slide the U-boat missions disk in there and do the same thing. Enter your serial number. Play. But I went several steps further today. I copied JSGME, Large Memory Address Aware and all 3.8 GB of Fall of the Rising Sun Ultimate v0.25 beta. I installed MULTI-SH4, ran it successfully and created a second install for GFO. It all just works. Just as easily as Windows. No command line terminal mumbo-jumbo, no screwing with configuration tweaks. It installed and ran identically to a Windows machine. Except Ubuntu is not collecting unknown data that belongs to me, encrypting it and sending it to Microsoft twice a day at my expense. And it isn't using half the tiles in a facetiously named "start menu" to sell me things I won't buy. The same program on Ubuntu tends to run twice as fast as it does in Windows on my machine. Instead of serving sites that host a Windows system recovery .iso, the same one that can be created by any Windows user by themselves, with DMCA takedown demands Ubuntu encourages dozens of system recovery boot packages like RescaTux, which I used today. RescaTux can save your Windows system too when your forced upgrade locks up your machine and Microsoft leaves you completely stranded. I'd say more but I'm taking off to play some FOTRS Ultimate on my cumbersome Linux system that created the mod yesterday. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS Last edited by Rockin Robbins; 09-23-16 at 08:14 AM.

08-29-16, 07:47 AM	#3
Commander Wallace Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Under the sea in an Octupus garden in the shade Posts: 5,314 Downloads: 366 Uploads: 0	I found this and thought it might be helpful to people using various versions on Linux and having to compromise using a multi boot format of Linux and windows to play their games. This article suggests that you can play silent hunter with Linux Wine. https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManag...rsion&iId=5618 HOWTO - Running Silent Hunter 3 with Wine The game itself works, but some care must be taken during instalaltion in order to get it working correctly. Note and disclaimer: This has been tested only with Silent Hunter 3 - EMEA DVD edition - version 1.4b. Please contact me for your success regarding the US or the downlaod editions of this game. First step: Install the game. This is easy: push the DVD in and run "wine setup.exe". Install all the options including Directx9 video codecs and Acrobat Reader 7 (this one might be left out if you have space concerns). Installation will run swiftly and complete in a few minutes with no assle. I suggest not to install the GameShadow crap since you will not need it. Run wineboot to reboot windows, but DO NOT RUN THE GAME YET! Second step: Patch the game to 1.4b Go to the Ubisoft Silent Hunter 3 homepage (see link in game description) and download the right patch for you. I have tested only the EMEA DVD 1.4b patch. The download is about 20MB and could take a while, but once you have it simply unzip and run it with wine. The patch will locate your installation and patch it to the latest (1.4b) version. Run wineboot to reboot windows, but DO NOT RUN THE GAME YET!! Third step: apply a NO-CD crack to the game No, i am not suggesting to illegally play this game, nor i am suggesting to pursue any illegal or unethic behaviour. If this step is illegal in your country or if you believe it to be unethical, please stop here and forget about running Silent Hunter 3 under wine. Unfortunately, Ubisoft has choosen a copy protection mechanism for their game that is NOT supported by wine at the moment. So, even if you own an original version of the game you must find, download and apply a NO-CD (or better NO-DVD in this case) patch. I am not giving you any direct link to any potential illegal stuff, unzip it and put all the enclosed files (some dlls and one exe) on the game directory replacing the original provided ones. I strongly suggest backing up the existing one first. Run wineboot to reboot windows, but DO NOT RUN THE GAME YET!! Last step: Now run the game! Either run wine sh3.exe from the game directory or use the Start Menu shortcut, the loading screen might take some time, then the menu page will show up and... Good Luck! Note: if "xrandr \| grep 1024x" does not report 50.0 Hz as an option (for example: " 1024x768 75.0 70.0 60.0 " ) you must fiddle with your X config until it does report 50 Hz, or apply this patch to get the game running. Please report any success story for other editions than the EMEA DVD! I hope you all find this helpful.

08-29-16, 10:24 AM	#6
Ashikaga Commodore Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Netherlands Posts: 620 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Hahahaha that cracked me up Commander Wallace ! While you are correct about that repository and updating in the background I just have to say that Ubuntu sucks. Well it did on my rig until I got rid of the entire operating system. But that was years ago. Never looked back. Ashikaga.