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max-peck · 08-16-16, 01:06 PM

Welcome aboard cadaha

I see you are now the proud new owner of a shiny new Type 21

cadaha · 08-16-16, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by max-peck

Welcome aboard cadaha

I see you are now the proud new owner of a shiny new Type 21

I am and I'm not that impressed to tell you the truth. Eats fuel and is a slippery sucker making it harder to position for attack also not sure if it is because I'm on patrol six but I seem to get detected a lot earlier so have had to abort more than one convoy attack due to Tribal Destroyers jumping on me very quickly even though I'm silent, periscope down etc.

I did get a lone Liberty Merchant though as I entered my patrol area

Type 21 surfaced after sinking the Liberty

cadaha · 08-18-16, 03:14 PM

I've noticed a massive change in this patrol compared to the first 5. Every convoy is protected by one or more destroyers and they seem way overpowered compared to the first five patrols. Sitting quietly, even at almost max torpedo distance these escorts start pinging me as soon as they get within 3000 yds, meaning I have to break off the attack and go deep.

I'm not sure how to deal with them as they have no reason to know I'm there. I set up the attack way ahead of their arrival so as not to be detected. When I parallel their course I am over 7 miles away until I am about 10 miles ahead which should give me ample time to sit and wait.

cadaha · 08-18-16, 06:39 PM

Finally had some success, but not without assistance.

I managed to set myself up for this attack and the Tribal Destroyer passed me without incident. I knew I had to keep my stern tubes as defence once I had launched my attack

My two prime targets were a T3 Tanker and a Liberty Cargo. I fired two torpedoes at each target and destroyed the T3 immediately. The Liberty was disabled and dead in the water.

You can see the 4 fish running, the impact on both ships was almost simultaneous.

Obviously this drew the attention of the Tribal Destroyer. Depth charges and pinging galore.

As I had already anticipated trouble once my fish detonated I had called in assistance from the Auxiliary Cruiser to the south. I just had to stay alive until it arrived if I could.

I went deep and followed a track to intercept the cruiser so that the Destroyer would be dragged along to meet its doom. The Cruiser arrived just in time and I blew ballast to arrive safely on the surface where I finished off the Liberty with one of the fish from my stern tubes.

Destroyer getting the business end of the Cruiser supporting me.

I stayed alive and now have to allow my DC party to fix me up before I head off to seek more prey

max-peck · 08-19-16, 02:40 PM

Nice work cadaha

I think what you are experiencing is the Allies getting exceptionally good at anti-submarine warfare as the war progressed

By 1943 they were absolutely top notch at it, and you may find it very difficult to survive beyond this point, even in a Type 21

But hey - good luck mate

EDIT
Out of interest what is the date in your current career?
I have never played the U Boat missions in SH4, but your screenshots intrigue me.
I may just have to give it a go

cadaha · 08-19-16, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by max-peck

Nice work cadaha

I think what you are experiencing is the Allies getting exceptionally good at anti-submarine warfare as the war progressed

By 1943 they were absolutely top notch at it, and you may find it very difficult to survive beyond this point, even in a Type 21

But hey - good luck mate

EDIT
Out of interest what is the date in your current career?
I have never played the U Boat missions in SH4, but your screenshots intrigue me.
I may just have to give it a go

Hi Max,

I didn't like the type 21 (possibly type XVIII) so went back to a save before the upgrade and stayed with older sub.

I'm at the moment in late 1943 which would explain the sudden ASW skill the allies have. I am noticing that the Tribal Destroyer is the beast at the moment and if I get a Clemson Destroyer as escort then I have more luck.

Currently I managed to put 2 fish intro a Liberty but missed with 2 against a T3 although I was trying long range shots to reduce detection. The Liberty is damaged but keeping up with the convoy. I have 2 fish left and once clear of the Clemson I may try and overhaul the convoy to finish off the Liberty Cargo. I have a Cruiser steaming towards my location which may get the Destroyer off my back and allow me to hunt down the convoy before it gets too far away.

I'm waiting to get my Mil pension so that I can see what the WDAD mod is like. I'd love to try a career as a Brit skipper

Gerald · 08-19-16, 07:25 PM

Hi Cadaha! Welcome to SubSim and SH4.

TheGreatElector · 08-19-16, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cadaha

I've noticed a massive change in this patrol compared to the first 5. Every convoy is protected by one or more destroyers and they seem way overpowered compared to the first five patrols. Sitting quietly, even at almost max torpedo distance these escorts start pinging me as soon as they get within 3000 yds, meaning I have to break off the attack and go deep.

I'm not sure how to deal with them as they have no reason to know I'm there. I set up the attack way ahead of their arrival so as not to be detected. When I parallel their course I am over 7 miles away until I am about 10 miles ahead which should give me ample time to sit and wait.

Welcome to subsim!

cadaha · 08-21-16, 03:13 PM

Patrol 7 and the task is to take out a high value target. This one was guarded by three destroyers and a light cruiser, so after taking her out I went deep and slunk out of there. I am seeing the benefit of electric fish to confuse the escorts as to where the datum is. The ones escorting her started looking in completely the opposite side of the convoy to where I was.

The huge passenger liner having a bad time after taking 4 fish in her.

I did have homing fish in my rear tubes and was hoping to grab an escort as I left the area, but these homing fish that use a ladder search pattern don't start the search until they reach 5km which makes them pretty useless for me. I'll probably stock up on the ones that go active after 400yds instead when I get home to see if they are better. The ones designed for taking out escorts sailed straight past the light cruiser without blinking as she was at around 4000 yds when they passed her.

Now to rack up some more tonnage on the journey back to base.

cadaha · 08-22-16, 07:20 AM

I'm going to try OM again as I like the Atlantic Theater. I had problems with saved games before which is why I disabled the Mod but, after a clean reinstall and reading the posts about how to avoid crashes with Mega Mods, I'm going to give it another try. I'll try and run a, sort of, log about the patrols. I'll join the flotilla with the VII U-Boat as I like those (I didn't really get on with the IIB or IIC (slow and only 5 fish)).

I'm also going to add the 3000yd bearing plotter to the mod list as I prefer that plotter to the one in OM and I also prefer yds to metres (old school Navy Gunner

) I know it isn't historically correct but I prefer to play that way. Maybe when I get more experienced I'll up the realism to KM and Mtrs. I always use limited fuel/O2/Battery life etc and Manual Targeting so I'm probably about half way there, realism wise. I keep contact updates and also external view (for screenshots) but keep event camera off.

08-16-16, 01:06 PM	#1
max-peck Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: UK Posts: 752 Downloads: 420 Uploads: 0	Welcome aboard cadaha I see you are now the proud new owner of a shiny new Type 21 __________________ -------------------------------------------------- Authority should derive from the consent of the governed, not from the threat of force If the only tool you have is a hammer, pretty soon everything starts to look like a nail FOTRS Ultimate http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=226270 The future of SH4 - coming to a PC near you soon

08-18-16, 06:39 PM	#4
cadaha Watch Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 20 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Finally had some success, but not without assistance. I managed to set myself up for this attack and the Tribal Destroyer passed me without incident. I knew I had to keep my stern tubes as defence once I had launched my attack My two prime targets were a T3 Tanker and a Liberty Cargo. I fired two torpedoes at each target and destroyed the T3 immediately. The Liberty was disabled and dead in the water. You can see the 4 fish running, the impact on both ships was almost simultaneous. Obviously this drew the attention of the Tribal Destroyer. Depth charges and pinging galore. As I had already anticipated trouble once my fish detonated I had called in assistance from the Auxiliary Cruiser to the south. I just had to stay alive until it arrived if I could. I went deep and followed a track to intercept the cruiser so that the Destroyer would be dragged along to meet its doom. The Cruiser arrived just in time and I blew ballast to arrive safely on the surface where I finished off the Liberty with one of the fish from my stern tubes. Destroyer getting the business end of the Cruiser supporting me. I stayed alive and now have to allow my DC party to fix me up before I head off to seek more prey Last edited by cadaha; 08-18-16 at 07:56 PM.

08-19-16, 02:40 PM	#5
max-peck Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: UK Posts: 752 Downloads: 420 Uploads: 0	Nice work cadaha I think what you are experiencing is the Allies getting exceptionally good at anti-submarine warfare as the war progressed By 1943 they were absolutely top notch at it, and you may find it very difficult to survive beyond this point, even in a Type 21 But hey - good luck mate EDIT Out of interest what is the date in your current career? I have never played the U Boat missions in SH4, but your screenshots intrigue me. I may just have to give it a go __________________ -------------------------------------------------- Authority should derive from the consent of the governed, not from the threat of force If the only tool you have is a hammer, pretty soon everything starts to look like a nail FOTRS Ultimate http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=226270 The future of SH4 - coming to a PC near you soon

08-19-16, 07:25 PM	#7
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Hi Cadaha! Welcome to SubSim and SH4. __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

08-18-16, 03:14 PM	#3
cadaha Watch Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 20 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	I've noticed a massive change in this patrol compared to the first 5. Every convoy is protected by one or more destroyers and they seem way overpowered compared to the first five patrols. Sitting quietly, even at almost max torpedo distance these escorts start pinging me as soon as they get within 3000 yds, meaning I have to break off the attack and go deep. I'm not sure how to deal with them as they have no reason to know I'm there. I set up the attack way ahead of their arrival so as not to be detected. When I parallel their course I am over 7 miles away until I am about 10 miles ahead which should give me ample time to sit and wait.

08-21-16, 03:13 PM	#9
cadaha Watch Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 20 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Patrol 7 and the task is to take out a high value target. This one was guarded by three destroyers and a light cruiser, so after taking her out I went deep and slunk out of there. I am seeing the benefit of electric fish to confuse the escorts as to where the datum is. The ones escorting her started looking in completely the opposite side of the convoy to where I was. The huge passenger liner having a bad time after taking 4 fish in her. I did have homing fish in my rear tubes and was hoping to grab an escort as I left the area, but these homing fish that use a ladder search pattern don't start the search until they reach 5km which makes them pretty useless for me. I'll probably stock up on the ones that go active after 400yds instead when I get home to see if they are better. The ones designed for taking out escorts sailed straight past the light cruiser without blinking as she was at around 4000 yds when they passed her. Now to rack up some more tonnage on the journey back to base.

08-22-16, 07:20 AM	#10
cadaha Watch Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 20 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	I'm going to try OM again as I like the Atlantic Theater. I had problems with saved games before which is why I disabled the Mod but, after a clean reinstall and reading the posts about how to avoid crashes with Mega Mods, I'm going to give it another try. I'll try and run a, sort of, log about the patrols. I'll join the flotilla with the VII U-Boat as I like those (I didn't really get on with the IIB or IIC (slow and only 5 fish)). I'm also going to add the 3000yd bearing plotter to the mod list as I prefer that plotter to the one in OM and I also prefer yds to metres (old school Navy Gunner ) I know it isn't historically correct but I prefer to play that way. Maybe when I get more experienced I'll up the realism to KM and Mtrs. I always use limited fuel/O2/Battery life etc and Manual Targeting so I'm probably about half way there, realism wise. I keep contact updates and also external view (for screenshots) but keep event camera off.