Military coup in Turkey

Skybird · 07-23-16, 05:32 AM

Turkey always was Muslim - it was just supressed by the Kemalist secularism, Catfish. But Islam always was there, and strong under the surface, it never was successfully done away. The Kemalist elite lost support with the ordinary people due to its inherent corruption and the abuse resulting from that. The AKP very strongly rests in religion. Orthodoxy, Islam, always was much stronger in the rural places, than in the metropoles. It does not matter whether Erdoghan just stage-acts and plays the religious card - he probably does, like Saddam did - or is truly religious: its the power of the attractiveness of religion for the masses that causes this disaster in Turkey. Erdoghan's Führer-cult just makes it even worse. What he wants, essentially is an Erdoghanisty.

I predicted all this already over ten years ago, here in the forum. Many did not want to believe me. - My last experiences with being in Turkey's East, near the Iranian border and in the Kurdish areas, are twenty years ago - already back then the attitude towards Westerners was very cold and supremacist, and the belief of one's own national and religious superiority was extremely strong amongst rural Turks, the traditional demands and rules of hospitality were met when we came, noi matter whether with or without previous announcement, okay - but often on such ice-cold minimal level of standards that it could not cover the underlaying hostility. The rite was done, but its spirit not met, so to speak. And that was not just suspicion towards the foreigners, or suspicion that maybe we would sympathise with the Kurds.

Nothing of what we now see, surprises me. It just pisses me nevertheless. You can know in advance, and still be pissed when it finally materialises.

I wonder whether Erdoghans calculation to install himself as the new voice of the Islamic world really can work. The Turks are not Arabs, and the Ottoman empire was known for and hated for its explicit brutality and contempt it acted with towards the Arabs it dominated. The Arab world in principle despises and hates Turks, almost as much as it despises and dislikes Palestinian Arabs, if not more. Relögious fervor and momentary momentums may covert that - I wonder whether that really can last with the Arab crowds. Its not just anybody they should applaude for - its the Turks.

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10,000 additional arrest in the past 36 hours

. another 1000 schools shut, plus 15 universities. One third of the staff in governmental offices sacked, fired, removed.

07-23-16, 05:32 AM	#11
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,836 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Turkey always was Muslim - it was just supressed by the Kemalist secularism, Catfish. But Islam always was there, and strong under the surface, it never was successfully done away. The Kemalist elite lost support with the ordinary people due to its inherent corruption and the abuse resulting from that. The AKP very strongly rests in religion. Orthodoxy, Islam, always was much stronger in the rural places, than in the metropoles. It does not matter whether Erdoghan just stage-acts and plays the religious card - he probably does, like Saddam did - or is truly religious: its the power of the attractiveness of religion for the masses that causes this disaster in Turkey. Erdoghan's Führer-cult just makes it even worse. What he wants, essentially is an Erdoghanisty. I predicted all this already over ten years ago, here in the forum. Many did not want to believe me. - My last experiences with being in Turkey's East, near the Iranian border and in the Kurdish areas, are twenty years ago - already back then the attitude towards Westerners was very cold and supremacist, and the belief of one's own national and religious superiority was extremely strong amongst rural Turks, the traditional demands and rules of hospitality were met when we came, noi matter whether with or without previous announcement, okay - but often on such ice-cold minimal level of standards that it could not cover the underlaying hostility. The rite was done, but its spirit not met, so to speak. And that was not just suspicion towards the foreigners, or suspicion that maybe we would sympathise with the Kurds. Nothing of what we now see, surprises me. It just pisses me nevertheless. You can know in advance, and still be pissed when it finally materialises. I wonder whether Erdoghans calculation to install himself as the new voice of the Islamic world really can work. The Turks are not Arabs, and the Ottoman empire was known for and hated for its explicit brutality and contempt it acted with towards the Arabs it dominated. The Arab world in principle despises and hates Turks, almost as much as it despises and dislikes Palestinian Arabs, if not more. Relögious fervor and momentary momentums may covert that - I wonder whether that really can last with the Arab crowds. Its not just anybody they should applaude for - its the Turks. --- 10,000 additional arrest in the past 36 hours . another 1000 schools shut, plus 15 universities. One third of the staff in governmental offices sacked, fired, removed. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 07-23-16 at 07:23 AM.