Military coup in Turkey

Oberon · 07-15-16, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

Didn't Atatürk once said that the role of the army is to oust potential dictators to restore the republic he built after WW1

Ataturk had a lot of sense, enough sense to take Turkey in the right direction, away from intanglement in religion with the state and into secularism.
Turkey could do with a new Ataturk in this coup, and I say that as someone who nearly didn't exist because of Ataturk.

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

Don't take it for granted that they'll succeed...

I'm hoping that they do, but I fear that there's going to be some unrest in the days to come and no doubt Daesh will take the opportunity to go to town. The PKK might hold off though, to see what stance the military are going to take with them.

Meanwhile, some film and pictures:

Low flying F-16:
https://twitter.com/HazalKoptagel/st...35715709739008

https://twitter.com/InfobaeAmerica/s...50062708277249

Tanks (M60s I presume) at Ataturk airport:

mapuc · 07-15-16, 03:48 PM

If I remember correctly it isn't the first time it happens and I seem to recall some words from a Swedish journalist( said some years ago)

If The Prime Minister in Turkey goes away from Atatürk-way of Turkey there's a huge chance for a coup. (something like that)

Markus

07-15-16, 03:50 PM

This is crazy. And about time.

Schroeder · 07-15-16, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Tanks (M60s I presume) at Ataturk airport:

Leopard I.

mapuc · 07-15-16, 04:00 PM

As mentioned in this thread there's a lots of information and deinformation about the situation in Turkey right now

I guess we will know in a few days time if this coup was a succes or not and what will be the aftermath due to this.-If it fail.

Markus

Oberon · 07-15-16, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

Leopard I.

Oh, nice, even better gear.

Martial law and a curfew have been announced, and Erdogan, his current location unknown, is expected to issue a statement shortly.

07-15-16, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Oh, nice, even better gear.

Martial law and a curfew have been announced, and Erdogan, his current location unknown, is expected to issue a statement shortly.

I hope he is spoiling his pants. Furthermore I hope the coup succeeds (it wont :/) and he gets lynched like Mussolini once.

Schroeder · 07-15-16, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

I hope he is spoiling his pants. Furthermore I hope the coup succeeds (it wont :/) and he gets lynched like Mussolini once.

I can already hear our politicians lamenting about the evil military trying to oust a democratically elected president....

Besides I'm sure he's had some plans for this case and is probably not even in the country anymore. He is pretty paranoid after all IIRC.

Betonov · 07-15-16, 04:24 PM

Any thoughts that someone finally snaped down there due to Nice.
Got tired of Erdogans crap and decided to act.

07-15-16, 04:25 PM

Edit: Nevermind, probably fake.

Skybird · 07-15-16, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

Any thoughts that someone finally snaped down there due to Nice.
Got tired of Erdogans crap and decided to act.

no, such things need time and preparation. months.

Skybird · 07-15-16, 04:21 PM

Any outcome not including Erdoghan is a good outcome. Any outcome.

The EU will go crazy, however. I will find it most amusing.

The military has been massively infoltrated by Erdoghans followers in the past years. The outcome of this is anything but certain.

mapuc · 07-15-16, 04:27 PM

1 Came this ongoing coup as a surprise for you ?

If not, tell me why

2 If a succes( the military takes 100 % control of the country)

What will happen to the region

I'm thinking of

The relationship to wards Israel
The relationship to ward Russia
The relationship to wards Daesh (some say the are working together with them)

Markus

Oberon · 07-15-16, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

1 Came this ongoing coup as a surprise for you ?

If not, tell me why

2 If a succes( the military takes 100 % control of the country)

What will happen to the region

I'm thinking of

The relationship to wards Israel
The relationship to ward Russia
The relationship to wards Daesh (some say the are working together with them)

Markus

1) Honestly I did not, because I was under the impression (given by some here) that Erdogan had affective control over his armed forces and his dictatorial control was more or less complete.

2) International relations should thaw a little, there will probably be some nashing of teeth about it being a military coup but honestly dealing with a Kemalist military will be a breath of fresh air.
Daesh will get a kicking from Turkey if they poke their heads across the border. Things will Russia won't be too bad, there'll be a bit of tension but nothing serious, things were already starting to calm down recently anyway so the tensions after the shootdown have almost normalised and I doubt that this will change that much.
I'm intrigued as to how things with the PKK are going to work out.

Oh...and here's one for Nippelspanner, Schroeder and Skybird to enjoy...

Reports indicate Erdogan is seeking asylum in Germany...

Oberon · 07-15-16, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

I hope he is spoiling his pants. Furthermore I hope the coup succeeds (it wont :/) and he gets lynched like Mussolini once.

Honestly, I wouldn't count the coup out, bear in mind that the military has always been quite Kemalist.
Erdogan won't be lynched though, that would just make him a martyr to his cause, but with any luck he'll be put on trial like Mubarak.

07-15-16, 04:21 PM	#12
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,680 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Any outcome not including Erdoghan is a good outcome. Any outcome. The EU will go crazy, however. I will find it most amusing. The military has been massively infoltrated by Erdoghans followers in the past years. The outcome of this is anything but certain. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-15-16, 03:48 PM	#2
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,543 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	If I remember correctly it isn't the first time it happens and I seem to recall some words from a Swedish journalist( said some years ago) If The Prime Minister in Turkey goes away from Atatürk-way of Turkey there's a huge chance for a coup. (something like that) Markus

07-15-16, 03:50 PM	#3
Nippelspanner Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	This is crazy. And about time.

07-15-16, 04:00 PM	#5
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,543 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	As mentioned in this thread there's a lots of information and deinformation about the situation in Turkey right now I guess we will know in a few days time if this coup was a succes or not and what will be the aftermath due to this.-If it fail. Markus

07-15-16, 04:24 PM	#9
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Any thoughts that someone finally snaped down there due to Nice. Got tired of Erdogans crap and decided to act.

07-15-16, 04:25 PM	#10
Nippelspanner Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Edit: Nevermind, probably fake.

07-15-16, 04:27 PM	#13
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,543 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	1 Came this ongoing coup as a surprise for you ? If not, tell me why 2 If a succes( the military takes 100 % control of the country) What will happen to the region I'm thinking of The relationship to wards Israel The relationship to ward Russia The relationship to wards Daesh (some say the are working together with them) Markus