Is war between cops and citizens brewing? - Page 2

AVGWarhawk · 07-08-16, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Maybe because the cop had just pumped 4 rounds into her boyfriend. If she had reached over to help him the cop would have interpreted it as she was going for her BF's gun and shot her too.

Yes, so lets video, talk about it while it happens then upload to FB instead. Is it just me or does that kind of ruin the idea of getting shot attempting to help the dying man? I think it was one shot. But that is immaterial. I truly think the cop had simply killed this man with zero justification.

Platapus · 07-08-16, 03:18 PM

Until we start holding police accountable for their actions and not allow the police to arbitrarily kill citizens because "they felt threatened" and as long as there is a group of citizens who feel their lives are not considered important enough to protect, I fear this will only get worse.

If the police want the citizens to have a presumption that the majority of police are the good guys, then the police need to have the presumption that the majority of the citizens are good guys too. Both statements are true

The majority of the police are good guys
The majority of the citizens are good guys.

What is different is that one group is killing members of the other group and there does not seem to be any accountability. Who came up with the brilliant idea of allowing a police department to investigate itself for misconduct? The concept of conflict of interest did not cross their minds?

Crikey! We don't even allow school kids to grade their own assignments!!

This is how you get your citizens to fear the police.

Police states are formed on the foundation of "any means are necessary to protect the citizens".

Oberon · 07-08-16, 03:35 PM

eddie · 07-08-16, 04:11 PM

Sad state of affairs when people really begin to feel this way.

vienna · 07-08-16, 04:24 PM

In the midst of all the police bashing going on, I would like to quietly point out what happened during the shooting in Dallas: Dallas police officers showed admirable and laudable professionalism under fire while trying to protect not only their own, but also, those civilians caught up in the situation. The officers could have panicked or made knee-jerk reactions and fired into the crowd blindly assuming the shooter or shooters may have been among the protestors. There were some in the march who were openly armed and could have easily been mistaken as part of the shooting. The very fact the officers maintained enough of a cool to not make bad judgements speaks volumes about the officer's professionalism and the quality of their training. If this incident had occurred in some other jurisdictions, the results may have been even more tragic. This morning, here in Los Angeles, there was the graduation of a new class of LAPD officers, scheduled long before the shootings in Dallas. No matter what you think of the action of some very few officers, it takes a very special dedication for the vast majority of persons who take up a badge. And there is a cost to be considered: when a TV news reporter approached the newly sworn officers for comment about how they felt about Dallas, each of them begged off saying "I just want to spend time with my family"; I sincerely hope they have as much time with their families in the future as they can get...

<O>

07-08-16, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by eddie

Oh. Please.

Jeff-Groves · 07-08-16, 04:33 PM

Nice that Police run around with stuff like that.

Oh! Wait! He shot a White Guy to death so I guess that don't count.

HW3 · 07-08-16, 05:24 PM

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I truly think the cop had simply killed this man with zero justification.

As was reported in the media, the officer had asked for his license, as the victim was reaching behind himself the victim reportedly said he was a licensed concealed weapons carrier, and was armed. Now your the cop, what would you do?

As I see it, the victim made a terrible mistake by reaching behind himself before telling the officer about the gun. If he had just kept his hands on the wheel and told the officer about the gun and permit, and then followed the officers orders to the letter, this probably would not have happened. A mistake was made, and a young man died for it.

Jeff-Groves · 07-08-16, 05:31 PM

Cop had his gun on target. No way the Guy could have drawn and aimed before Cop reacted.
Cop reacted to quickly in this case and panicked.

"He moved!!"

Platapus · 07-08-16, 05:31 PM

I wonder what the exact timing of the actions was.

Did he tell the officer that he was carrying a weapon at the same time he was reaching for his wallet? That's not a good thing to do, although it may be a natural thing to do.

Jeff-Groves · 07-08-16, 05:33 PM

Standard response....
"I felt threatened"

Get another line of work then.

Platapus · 07-08-16, 05:46 PM

I am not allowed to shoot someone simply because I felt threatened. We routinely send people to jail who do that.

There has to be a demonstrated threat. And there better be some collaborating evidence to support that.

Why are the police not held to even the same standard as other citizens?

Do police lives matter more than citizen's lives?

Jeff-Groves · 07-08-16, 05:49 PM

I believe that is the bottom line Platapus.
An I have to say I feel bad that I believe that.

eddie · 07-08-16, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Oh. Please.

Don't like it? Tough! Isn't a damned thing you can do about it is there!!! You want to jump my posts, who the hell cares besides you!?! When you have the time, you know where to stick it, I'm sure it will fit in your candy arse!

STEED · 07-08-16, 05:59 PM

Dreadful.

07-08-16, 03:18 PM	#17
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,393 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Until we start holding police accountable for their actions and not allow the police to arbitrarily kill citizens because "they felt threatened" and as long as there is a group of citizens who feel their lives are not considered important enough to protect, I fear this will only get worse. If the police want the citizens to have a presumption that the majority of police are the good guys, then the police need to have the presumption that the majority of the citizens are good guys too. Both statements are true The majority of the police are good guys The majority of the citizens are good guys. What is different is that one group is killing members of the other group and there does not seem to be any accountability. Who came up with the brilliant idea of allowing a police department to investigate itself for misconduct? The concept of conflict of interest did not cross their minds? Crikey! We don't even allow school kids to grade their own assignments!! This is how you get your citizens to fear the police. Police states are formed on the foundation of "any means are necessary to protect the citizens". __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

07-08-16, 04:11 PM	#19
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Sad state of affairs when people really begin to feel this way. __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

07-08-16, 04:24 PM	#20
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,720 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	In the midst of all the police bashing going on, I would like to quietly point out what happened during the shooting in Dallas: Dallas police officers showed admirable and laudable professionalism under fire while trying to protect not only their own, but also, those civilians caught up in the situation. The officers could have panicked or made knee-jerk reactions and fired into the crowd blindly assuming the shooter or shooters may have been among the protestors. There were some in the march who were openly armed and could have easily been mistaken as part of the shooting. The very fact the officers maintained enough of a cool to not make bad judgements speaks volumes about the officer's professionalism and the quality of their training. If this incident had occurred in some other jurisdictions, the results may have been even more tragic. This morning, here in Los Angeles, there was the graduation of a new class of LAPD officers, scheduled long before the shootings in Dallas. No matter what you think of the action of some very few officers, it takes a very special dedication for the vast majority of persons who take up a badge. And there is a cost to be considered: when a TV news reporter approached the newly sworn officers for comment about how they felt about Dallas, each of them begged off saying "I just want to spend time with my family"; I sincerely hope they have as much time with their families in the future as they can get... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

07-08-16, 05:31 PM	#25
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,393 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I wonder what the exact timing of the actions was. Did he tell the officer that he was carrying a weapon at the same time he was reaching for his wallet? That's not a good thing to do, although it may be a natural thing to do. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

07-08-16, 05:46 PM	#27
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,393 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I am not allowed to shoot someone simply because I felt threatened. We routinely send people to jail who do that. There has to be a demonstrated threat. And there better be some collaborating evidence to support that. Why are the police not held to even the same standard as other citizens? Do police lives matter more than citizen's lives? __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

07-08-16, 03:35 PM	#18
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20

07-08-16, 04:33 PM	#22
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,655 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Nice that Police run around with stuff like that. Oh! Wait! He shot a White Guy to death so I guess that don't count.

07-08-16, 05:33 PM	#26
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,655 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Standard response.... "I felt threatened" Get another line of work then.

07-08-16, 05:49 PM	#28
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,655 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	I believe that is the bottom line Platapus. An I have to say I feel bad that I believe that.

07-08-16, 05:59 PM	#30
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Dreadful. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!