Ending the war on drugs

Skybird · 07-06-16, 07:30 AM

It failed and never was about the drugs in the first anyway. It has always been a proxy "war" for reasons that changed over time anyway.

http://www.zeit.de/wissen/gesundheit...reform-english

I was surprised to read this by an author like Richard Branson. But it does not matter who wrote it. It just came from an unexpected direction.

I think like this myself since longer time, since many years.

We had a discussion on this already three years ago or so, I referred to a long TV documentation on ARTE back then.

Sailor Steve · 07-06-16, 08:04 AM

Good article, good thoughts. I too have felt this way for a long time.

Jimbuna · 07-06-16, 10:06 AM

Initially I thought "What an unusual source" but then I noticed he is a member of the Global Commission on Drug Policy.

AVGWarhawk · 07-06-16, 11:07 AM

Nice article. A majority unobtainable starting with curtailing drug lords and drug markets.

Oberon · 07-06-16, 01:27 PM

Indeed, good article, I have some time for Branson, he's not perfect but he does seem to have a relatively level head on his shoulders...when he's not trying to fly around the world in a hot air balloon.

But yes, trying to freeze the barons and sellers out of the market by undercutting them and removing the criminal element means that sellers have to either legitimise themselves and play by the rules or lose trade to more secure sources.
It's not perfect, and price and availability would play a big role in how successful any attempt would be, but it would probably be a step in the right direction.
Same goes for prostitution if I'm honest, criminalising it just makes things worse, because it's not going to go away, it is the oldest profession after all.

Wolferz · 07-06-16, 01:59 PM

It didn't work for alcohol and one should think the same for drugs.

Unless of course there is some unscrupulous politicians with a more sinister agenda up their sleeves. The evidence for that conspiracy is written all over the place. It all began as greed and greed still plays a big role.

Now, how about we start a war on greed?

Oberon · 07-06-16, 02:14 PM

Or a war on war...?

vienna · 07-06-16, 02:42 PM

...and the winner is:

<O>

Oberon · 07-06-16, 02:51 PM

That guy is a drug, or at the very least should be manufactured and marketed as a life extending one.

Betonov · 07-06-16, 02:54 PM

And he's not American

Sailor Steve · 07-06-16, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

That guy is a drug, or at the very least should be manufactured and marketed as a life extending one.

He made a deal with the Devil. Every time you take a hard drug, a year is added to his life.

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Originally Posted by Betonov

And he's not American

That should be obvious, since he's older than America. Older than me even.

vienna · 07-06-16, 03:13 PM

Wow, Steve, really? I had no idea he was that old!...

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Oberon · 07-06-16, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

He made a deal with the Devil.

Are you trying to tell me that he has some Sympathy for the Devil?

BA DUM TISH

Sailor Steve · 07-06-16, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

Wow, Steve, really? I had no idea he was that old!...

There are a great many things you don't know. I would be glad to explain, but I don't know most of them either.

vienna · 07-06-16, 03:25 PM

I used to tell people I knew everything and understood nothing...

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07-06-16, 07:30 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,644 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Ending the war on drugs It failed and never was about the drugs in the first anyway. It has always been a proxy "war" for reasons that changed over time anyway. http://www.zeit.de/wissen/gesundheit...reform-english I was surprised to read this by an author like Richard Branson. But it does not matter who wrote it. It just came from an unexpected direction. I think like this myself since longer time, since many years. We had a discussion on this already three years ago or so, I referred to a long TV documentation on ARTE back then. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-06-16, 08:04 AM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Good article, good thoughts. I too have felt this way for a long time. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

07-06-16, 10:06 AM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,584 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Initially I thought "What an unusual source" but then I noticed he is a member of the Global Commission on Drug Policy. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

07-06-16, 11:07 AM	#4
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,266 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Nice article. A majority unobtainable starting with curtailing drug lords and drug markets. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

07-06-16, 01:59 PM	#6
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Prohibition never works. It didn't work for alcohol and one should think the same for drugs. Unless of course there is some unscrupulous politicians with a more sinister agenda up their sleeves. The evidence for that conspiracy is written all over the place. It all began as greed and greed still plays a big role. Now, how about we start a war on greed? __________________ Tomorrow never comes

07-06-16, 01:27 PM	#5
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Indeed, good article, I have some time for Branson, he's not perfect but he does seem to have a relatively level head on his shoulders...when he's not trying to fly around the world in a hot air balloon. But yes, trying to freeze the barons and sellers out of the market by undercutting them and removing the criminal element means that sellers have to either legitimise themselves and play by the rules or lose trade to more secure sources. It's not perfect, and price and availability would play a big role in how successful any attempt would be, but it would probably be a step in the right direction. Same goes for prostitution if I'm honest, criminalising it just makes things worse, because it's not going to go away, it is the oldest profession after all.

07-06-16, 02:14 PM	#7
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Or a war on war...?

07-06-16, 02:42 PM	#8
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,714 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	...and the winner is: <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

07-06-16, 02:51 PM	#9
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	That guy is a drug, or at the very least should be manufactured and marketed as a life extending one.

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Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	And he's not American

07-06-16, 03:13 PM	#12
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,714 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Wow, Steve, really? I had no idea he was that old!... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

07-06-16, 03:25 PM	#15
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,714 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I used to tell people I knew everything and understood nothing... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __