SH4 with TMO 2.5 Next/Previous Unit View

[Larry]

Gooday to all, I just intalled TMO 2.5 & lost the ability to get 360 external view of units (, /. keys) I have read post & have removed the ( from both Cmd 50 & Cmd 51 in the command config, still no 360 view of units. Can someone help?

Thanks for any & all replays.

Larry

[razark]

Hrm...
Do you have "No External View" checked in options?
Where did you modify commands.cfg? Did you edit it in SH4\Data\Cfg or in SH4\Mods\TMO\Data\Cfg?

[Larry]

Gooday Sir,
First, thank you for the reply.
No, the "No External View" is not checked in options.
I have external view but it will not allow me to center the view over the unit
"chase view" or allow a 360 view of unit.
I have edited both the SH4 Data Commands Config & the SH4 MODS TMO Data Commands Config.

[Gray Lensman]

Read the Realism Section of the TMO_Manual.pdf. It explains the changes and the rationale behind those changes of the External Camera View operation. It's part of the TMO experience to reduce the outlandish situational awareness allowed by the external camera depending on difficulty settings when playing with the TMO Mod.

edit> Also in regards to Next/Previous Unit View see the Frequently Asked Questions on page 47 of the TMO manual
2.) How do i get the next / previous camera back?

Ah, I see in your OP you've already done seen this so I must presume you are playing at a higher TMO difficulty level that disallows the External View altogether. if you want External View capability at the higher difficulty settings you will have to alter the contents of GamePlaySettings.cfg... (AFTER you have started a TMO v2.5 Pacific War Campaign, but BEFORE setting out on the first Patrol). To get the view back you must set NoExternalView=False. TMO at higher levels sets this to True. There are several copies of GamePlaySettings.cfg in the My Documents/SH4/... subfolders, but the one that matters is the one in My Documents/SH4/data/cfg/GamePlaySettings.cfg NOT the ones in the various saves during a patrol. Best time to alter this is when you are in port prior to starting a mission. At that time exit the game prior to starting a patrol and change the above mentioned File at that location and identical files in the in-port autosave folders.

Be sure to make backup copies of any files you are considering altering in case you have a glitch, then you can copy the original file back.

Hope this helps.

[fireftr18]

Originally Posted by Larry

Gooday Sir,
First, thank you for the reply.
No, the "No External View" is not checked in options.
I have external view but it will not allow me to center the view over the unit
"chase view" or allow a 360 view of unit.
I have edited both the SH4 Data Commands Config & the SH4 MODS TMO Data Commands Config.

I know what you mean. I don't like the change either. I wish Ducimus kept the external views as they were. I tried to change them back, but was unsuccessful. I just accept it because rest of TMO is so great.

[razark]

Originally Posted by Larry

No, the "No External View" is not checked in options.
...
I have edited both the SH4 Data Commands Config & the SH4 MODS TMO Data Commands Config.

Well, then it should work.

Are you having the problem in a campaign? Have you tried the Next/Previous unit cameras in one of the training missions?
There's difficulty settings on the main menu. I'm not sure why that option actually exists. It's caused more confusion than any benefit it gives.

When you start a campaign, you can choose the difficulty settings. That choice will override the main menu settings.


Once you go into the office, before going on patrol, look to the left. There's a radio on the shelf.


Select that, and it will bring up a menu with Sound, Graphics, and Gameplay settings. Go to the Gameplay section, and reset all the difficulty settings here.



(No offense if this is all stuff you know. I don't know anything about your experience with SH4, and my tech support experience has repeatedly beaten into me that you should never assume the user knows what they're doing until proven otherwise.)

[Larry]

Thank you all for the responses.

[Larry]

Razark, No offense taken I appreciate any & all help.

[razark]

Good.

Hope you get it working. I've tried without the cameras, and I can't stand it.

[Rockin Robbins]

The solution to all problems TMO is to read the Manual that nobody reads. It says:

2.) How do i get the next / previous camera back?
The easiest way is to be a big cheater, is open the /data/cfg/commands.cfg in TMO. Search for "
[Cmd50] " Your looking for these two blocks:
[Cmd50]
Name=Camera_on_next_unit
Ctxt=1
;Key0=0xBE,,">"
Page=0x34000000,3714
[Cmd51]
Name=Camera_on_prev_unit
Ctxt=1
;Key0=0xBC,,"<"
Page=0x34000000,3714
Simply remove the semicolon placed in front of the key assignment, and you have the next/previous
cameras back. Note: this will restore the hot keys. It will not restore the buttons on the ordersbar.

So:
Read the FINE manual!

[razark]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Read the FINE manual!

The opening post of the thread:

Originally Posted by Larry

I have read post & have removed the ( from both Cmd 50 & Cmd 51 in the command config

[Larry]

Ok, I have removed the " ; " in from both Cmd 50 & Cmd 51 in the /data/cfg/commands.cfg in TMO. I get the external view of selected unit but it will not give me the 360 view as it dose in 1.5 and as I had in TMO 1.9 This is the external view I get (rotates 360 from that spot not on the unit as I am trying to get)
Maybe this will help explain what I am trying to get.

[Rockin Robbins]

Okay, so you're not looking for next/previous unit at all! You want external view of your own sub and the ability to fly that camera where you want. I think all you have to do there is just turn on the option in the options screen. I always use it for screenshots.

No cheating now!

[Gray Lensman]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Okay, so you're not looking for next/previous unit at all! You want external view of your own sub and the ability to fly that camera where you want. I think all you have to do there is just turn on the option in the options screen. I always use it for screenshots.

No cheating now!

TMO 2.5 takes over the options selections internally and sets them according to the difficulty selected when starting a Pacific War Campaign, so he has to modify the MOD by re-setting the External View option directly in the My Documents/SH4 folders as explained in Post #4 above.

[Rockin Robbins]

Actually the best solution is to install TMOKeys. Its keyboard layout is old school TMO, not 2.5,but I like using the y key to switch stern tubes anyway.