Wolfpack in LSH3 2015

[bstanko6]

I have heard over the years about the h.sie Wolfpacks attacking on the surface only. I have to say I have been involved in several Wolfpack attacks and I have seen periscopes popping out of the water. I have never seen surfaced subs. Any one else seen surfaced h.sie subs?

And yes, if you are attacking a convoy in 39 or mid 40, you will hardly see a Wolfpack. It's written in the code.

What I would like to see is a Luftwaffe attack! Yet to see one in 11 years.

[fumo30]

Originally Posted by bstanko6

What I would like to see is a Luftwaffe attack! Yet to see one in 11 years.

Recently at the time of battle of Britain i saw Condor west of Bristol channel attacking lone destroyer that was coming hunting me. Very helpful, because it sank that destroyer and saved me from a depth charging.

Also saw bomber formations over english channel although they didn't attack anything. Same thing with ju 88's over biscay in later stages of war.

If you really want to see Luftwaffe(also italians and romanians) in action go to the Black Sea. They stole my kills numerous times

[bstanko6]

I will do that. Thanks!

[Dave Kay]

Originally Posted by bstanko6

.....What I would like to see is a Luftwaffe attack! Yet to see one in 11 years.

Wow~! Sounds like a fairly decent wolfpack simulation, thanks for the info~! Also, I too have seen Luftwaffe attack shipping in the early days of game-play, like '39-40, in the North Sea. At periscope depth I watched a lone Stuka dive-bomb my target as I was lining up my little TypeII for a shot--- that bit of realism just blew me away~!

[bstanko6]

Can't wait to see one. However, the Wolfpack attack is the absolute coolest. You work for it! But in the end, watching explosions and seeing escorts running around crazy while you line up a perfect shot is the greatest thing to be part of!
It is the absolute spirit of the u-boat. It was what they were designed for!

[Méo]

Originally Posted by bstanko6

However, the Wolfpack attack is the absolute coolest. You work for it! But in the end, watching explosions and seeing escorts running around crazy while you line up a perfect shot is the greatest thing to be part of!
It is the absolute spirit of the u-boat. It was what they were designed for!

I'm gonna give another try then... because I wasn't impressed to say the least (started a career in 1941 to test).

Originally Posted by bstanko6

You work for it!

Precisely, I did shadow the convoy. Constantly adjusting course, speed, and distance while keeping the deck awash for approximately 10 hours.

I was ordered by BdU to shadow and give hourly update. The next thing I know they attack without any notice in broad daylight.

I suddenly saw a tanker exploding at the horizon but if I joined the escorts would have quickly spotted me in such a beautiful day (2m/s, no fog, around 8 in the morning).

By the time I got into position and waiting for the convoy to stop evading manoeuvres, all the escorts had disappeared!! (there were 5 with at least 2 destroyers)

Of course it was like shooting fish in a barrel, I sank the whole convoy, but it felt kinda ''unnatural''. No quite realistic to say the least.

I felt like SH3 was just not made for the wolfpack strategy, but I'm gonna give another try.

[bstanko6]

It is a game. Realism can only go so far sitting at your computer.

Your scenario of a Wolfpack attacking in the day and no escorts attacking youwas not unrealistic! Remember that as the escorts are pummeling the other u boat, they can't hear you! And as far as sinking the whole convoy, good for you!

[Méo]

Originally Posted by bstanko6

It is a game. Realism can only go so far sitting at your computer.

Your scenario of a Wolfpack attacking in the day and no escorts attacking youwas not unrealistic!

What I meant by ''realism'' was the application of the wolfpack tactic according to Dönitz's orders, no rocket science here.

When enough boats have converged with the convoy, BdU would give the signal to attack, usually after dusk where the U-boats’ small silhouette made detection difficult.

I never had any signal, and it happened not after dusk but after dawn!

Whichever tactics employed, the general strategy was to attack by night, and withdraw by day, with continuous attacks lasting several days, as more boats arrived on the scene.

One of the most famous Wolf Pack attacks took place between the nights of October 16th to the 19th, 1940. Convoy SC7 was repeatedly attacked by a pack of seven boats, sinking 20 ships out of 34 in the convoy. The very next night, convoy HX79 was attacked with further losses of 14 ships, making a total of 34 ships in 48 hours. These attacks mounted against the two convoys became to be known as “The Night of the Long Knives”.

http://www.uboataces.com/tactics-wolfpack.shtml


Edit: Don't get me wrong, I'm not ''complaining''. I'm perfectly aware that modders are doing it for free. It just seems like SH3 isn't really suitable with the wolfpack tactic.

[Mittelwaechter]

Sweet Jesus Mother of God.

It didn't work as expected the first time? An offline game without wolfpacks was modded to simulate wolfpacks - and now they don't act like real wolfpacks ordered by Doenitz?

Did you try to play online? Create a multiplayer scenario with a few human controlled uboats, find some of your kind and do whatever Doenitz wants you to do.
So far SH3 is quite well programmed to simulate wolfpack attacks.