Discussion: What if?

[InvisibleDeath]

Aktungbby I have read stories that the last group of UBoats that were taken out and scuttled by the crews contained a number of torpedoes that appeared to be nuclear explosives. But it was at the end of the war when defeat was imminent and none were ever used.

[Torplexed]

I believe there was an attempt to deliver some uranium oxide to Japan in the closing days of the war. That was probably as close as any U-Boat got to carrying nuclear weapons.

The 1,200 lbs. of uranium disappeared after the sub was surrendered to the US Navy. Most likely it ended up at the Manhattan Project's Oak Ridge plant.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by InvisibleDeath

Aktungbby I have read stories that the last group of UBoats that were taken out and scuttled by the crews contained a number of torpedoes that appeared to be nuclear explosives. But it was at the end of the war when defeat was imminent and none were ever used.

Well of course! We should have an illuminating discussion thread of the subject...I've no doubt though that something awful got tested on Reugen Isle or in Thuringia: http://www.henrymakow.com/hitler-tested-nuclear-bombs.html & http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/the-third-reich-how-close-was-hitler-to-the-a-bomb-a-346293.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Schumann I'm highly skeptical but keeping an open mind.... and we need a wacko new thread! http://www.pravdareport.com/history/10-05-2011/117849-atomic_bomb-0/

[blackswan40]

Time frame late June 1940 Germany at War with England & at peace with their natural enemy the Russians also at this time the Germans as well as the British regarded German Surface ships the Greater threat to the British
Shipping Lanes & Trade Routes & Adolf wanted to Invade Russia in the Fall of 1940 His generals told him its impossible we will need 20 Panzer Divisions not just the same 10 Panzer Divisions that Conquered France that Summer
The Germans thought the British would come to a Gentleman's Agreement you can keep your Empire just as long as you give us a free hand in Europe
The Opportunity was lost the German Army should have Crushed the BEF in 1940 then England may have sued for peace on what ever terms Germany
would have put on the Table those dark days of 1940 Winston Churchill Fought some of his own Cabinet who thought Peace at Any Price was a better Option than BLOOD TOIL SWEAT & TEARS
In June 1940 the situation looked bleak only 650 Spitfires & Hurricanes
against 2500 German Aircraft & the only fully equipped Division was a Canadian one that had only just arrived only 3 artillery pieces in the coastal invasion area the cubored was bare so to speak

German Invasion Plans were not serious when the allies invaded France in June 1944 they had 6000 ships putting 160,000 men ashore is one thing keeping them supplied with food fuel reinforcements you have got to do that quicker than your enemy or your pushed back into the see
the Ships of the Kriegsmarine had been given a bloody nose in the Norwigian Campaign Heavy Cruiser Blucher Sunk light Cruiser Koln also sunk & 10 Destroyers but the biggest loss was one of the German Battle Cruisers was Torpedoed by a British Submarine & was out action for nine months so the protection the Kriegsmarine could give the invasion Force would have been minimal
even with Command of the air in the Channel the Royal Navy sends down 5 battle ships 2 battle cruisers 8 heavy cruisers they would have wrecked the German invasion Barges

150-200 Type VIIB's & IXB'S BY JUNE 1940

then the German Naval Z-Plan would need a rethink
build no ships bigger than Light Cruisers so no pocket battle ships no Hipper Scarnhorst no Gniesenau no Bismark/Tirpitz & allocate all that steel for uboat building in 1933/1935 to give the Uboat absolute priority in the German Rearmament Plan then maybe Britain would have been starved &
Surrendered by June 1941

but its all what if what if there was no depression in Germany & fewer Political Parties & at an Election theres an out right winner no hotch potch coalition no Chaos
no fear on the streets
when everyones got work & the economy is booming everyone would take no notice of a ranting idiot but once the idiots in power & your called up & your regiment brigade division is stood at attention on the parade ground
& you have to repeat that blind oath of elegance I will do my Fuhrers biding what ever that maybe I cannot disobey this oath & my Fuhrer & Germany
The German state of Adolf Hitler 1933-1945 was all powerful even almighty in a situation like that standing on the tail of the poisonous snake the head will just turn around & bite you