Looking for information about radar / sonar on early Cold War Soviet submarines

TheGeoff · 03-24-16, 09:33 PM

As some of you may know, I'm in the process of developing a simulator focusing on the Foxtrot-class submarine (not Sub Commander - a new sim). These submarines played a pivotal role in the Cuban Missile Crisis and were active throughout much of the Cold War.

In order to make the simulator as realistic as possible, I am looking for any photographs, documents, books, documentaries etc. relating to the equipment used on these submarines. If you can think of any sources which might be helpful, please post them! I have been searching for months but information on the radar, sonar and ESM suite are particularly hard to come by - apart from occasional museum photos and passing references in databases there is very little information online.

The pieces of equipment I am especially interested in are:

Флаг (Flag) radar systems (NATO designations: 'Snoop Tray' or 'Snoop Plate')
Накат (Rebound?) ESM system (NATO designation: 'Stop Light B')
ХРОМ-К (Chrome-K) direction finder / navigation radar (NATO designation: 'Quad Loop')
МГ-10 Кола / МГ-10M Феникс-М (Cola / Phoenix-M) sonar system (NATO designation: 'Trout Cheek'?)
МГ-200 Арктика-М (Arctic-M) sonar system (NATO designation: 'Pike Jaw'?)
МГ-15 Свияга (Sviyaga) sonar system
МГ-13М Свет-М (Light-M) sonar detector(?)
Ива-МВ (Willow-MB) HF radio

Does anyone know where I could find photos, documents, or books which cover these or any other Soviet sensors in detail? Any good books about Soviet subs in general?

I appreciate any recommendations!

Kapitan · 03-25-16, 05:39 AM

il respond to you in about 20 minuets i may have something of your interest

Kapitan · 03-25-16, 06:01 AM

Ok i have this book called a guide to the soviet navy published in the late 1970's so it doesn't have the units newer than about 1975, this is volume 2 im hunting down the other volumes of it and hopefully something will turn up.

This book lists platforms weapons systems and sensors it is written by Siegfried Breyer and Norman Polmar the latter is one of the most respected analysts on the subject.

ISBN 0 85059 298 4 the copy shouldn't be that expensive it cost me £6 at a boot sale

TheGeoff · 03-25-16, 07:09 PM

That looks extremely helpful, thanks! Looks like there are a lot of second hand copies floating around so I should be able to pick one up quite easily.

Kapitan · 03-27-16, 08:18 AM

Just ordered this it also maybe helpful also few more different ones on order

TheGeoff · 03-28-16, 05:37 AM

Would be interesting to know how detailed the info in that book is.

Also - a big thank you for sharing the link to your flickr albums! Very interesting photos, especially the pics of B821 in Zeebrugge.

03-24-16, 09:33 PM	#1
TheGeoff Planesman Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: 37°47'S 144°58'E (Melbourne, Australia) Posts: 198 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	Looking for information about radar / sonar on early Cold War Soviet submarines As some of you may know, I'm in the process of developing a simulator focusing on the Foxtrot-class submarine (not Sub Commander - a new sim). These submarines played a pivotal role in the Cuban Missile Crisis and were active throughout much of the Cold War. In order to make the simulator as realistic as possible, I am looking for any photographs, documents, books, documentaries etc. relating to the equipment used on these submarines. If you can think of any sources which might be helpful, please post them! I have been searching for months but information on the radar, sonar and ESM suite are particularly hard to come by - apart from occasional museum photos and passing references in databases there is very little information online. The pieces of equipment I am especially interested in are: Флаг (Flag) radar systems (NATO designations: 'Snoop Tray' or 'Snoop Plate') Накат (Rebound?) ESM system (NATO designation: 'Stop Light B') ХРОМ-К (Chrome-K) direction finder / navigation radar (NATO designation: 'Quad Loop') МГ-10 Кола / МГ-10M Феникс-М (Cola / Phoenix-M) sonar system (NATO designation: 'Trout Cheek'?) МГ-200 Арктика-М (Arctic-M) sonar system (NATO designation: 'Pike Jaw'?) МГ-15 Свияга (Sviyaga) sonar system МГ-13М Свет-М (Light-M) sonar detector(?) Ива-МВ (Willow-MB) HF radio Does anyone know where I could find photos, documents, or books which cover these or any other Soviet sensors in detail? Any good books about Soviet subs in general? I appreciate any recommendations! __________________ Sub Commander: A free roguelike submarine simulator

03-25-16, 05:39 AM	#2
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	il respond to you in about 20 minuets i may have something of your interest __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

03-25-16, 06:01 AM	#3
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Ok i have this book called a guide to the soviet navy published in the late 1970's so it doesn't have the units newer than about 1975, this is volume 2 im hunting down the other volumes of it and hopefully something will turn up. This book lists platforms weapons systems and sensors it is written by Siegfried Breyer and Norman Polmar the latter is one of the most respected analysts on the subject. ISBN 0 85059 298 4 the copy shouldn't be that expensive it cost me £6 at a boot sale __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

03-25-16, 07:09 PM	#4
TheGeoff Planesman Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: 37°47'S 144°58'E (Melbourne, Australia) Posts: 198 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	That looks extremely helpful, thanks! Looks like there are a lot of second hand copies floating around so I should be able to pick one up quite easily. __________________ Sub Commander: A free roguelike submarine simulator

03-27-16, 08:18 AM	#5
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Just ordered this it also maybe helpful also few more different ones on order __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

03-28-16, 05:37 AM	#6
TheGeoff Planesman Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: 37°47'S 144°58'E (Melbourne, Australia) Posts: 198 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	Would be interesting to know how detailed the info in that book is. Also - a big thank you for sharing the link to your flickr albums! Very interesting photos, especially the pics of B821 in Zeebrugge. __________________ Sub Commander: A free roguelike submarine simulator