The all purpose terrorism thread featuring plenty of allah akbar

[vienna]

Originally Posted by eddie

Problem with that though is that Iran is pulling 2,500 troops out of Syria.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...ps-from-syrai/

Noted, but there has been talk out of Iran of a tit-for-tat in terms of chemical weapon use; I heard one analyst on a radio show here speculating Iran may be poised to launch an air attack (no need for ground troops) with some sort of chemical devices on Isis and its cohorts. I guess we'll know if the Shiite hits the fan...


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[Jimbuna]

With Russia relaxing airstrikes I should imagine there will be a good number of civilians feeling relieved.

[eddie]

Originally Posted by vienna

Noted, but there has been talk out of Iran of a tit-for-tat in terms of chemical weapon use; I heard one analyst on a radio show here speculating Iran may be poised to launch an air attack (no need for ground troops) with some sort of chemical devices on Isis and its cohorts. I guess we'll no if the Shiite hits the fan...


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I agree, Iran is still leaving "advisers", so will be interesting to see what they do.

[eddie]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

With Russia relaxing airstrikes I should imagine there will be a good number of civilians feeling relieved.

I bet Jim. Can't imagine what its been like for them just to have clean water to drink, or decent food to eat.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Perhaps Russian intel found out that the rebels backed by Saudi's have heat seeking missiles or isis is warning Russia using envoys to back off or they will use wmd's on the neighborhoods of the homeland. The bold underline is mine the rest is just a guess that Russia is not that dumb to see things are going to get nasty with the enemies back against the wall.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/15/wo...ext/index.html

Majority of the airstrikes were conducted from above the MANPADS ceiling. If ISIS were to use WMDs on Russian soil (with effect significantly above a regular terrorist attack) ISIS would be recognised as a state and then would physcially seize to exist in about 3 hours. No man - no problem.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by eddie

I bet Jim. Can't imagine what its been like for them just to have clean water to drink, or decent food to eat.

I would say that arty had a more profound effect on their life.

You could read an account of arty use in 2nd Chechen war here:
http://artofwar.ru/c/cehanowich_b_g/text_0890.shtml

[August]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Majority of the airstrikes were conducted from above the MANPADS ceiling. If ISIS were to use WMDs on Russian soil (with effect significantly above a regular terrorist attack) ISIS would be recognised as a state and then would physcially seize to exist in about 3 hours. No man - no problem.

So no problem wiping out all the civilians in the areas that ISIS has occupied?

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by August

So no problem wiping out all the civilians in the areas that ISIS has occupied?

And then I look at Hiroshima, Nagasaki and all the conventional strategic bombing campaighns.

Originally Posted by ikalugin

And then I look at Hiroshima, Nagasaki and all the conventional strategic bombing campaighns.

In before "we had no choice!"

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

In before "we had no choice!"

Alternatively we could invade the Gulf Monarchies for alleged links with ISIS. Because invading Afghanistan for the 6th time would be boring.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

In before "we had no choice!"

Out of interest, how would you have brought Japan to surrender at maximum benefit to the Allies (ie; before the Soviets could invade Hokkaido) with minimal bloodshed to the Allied forces and Japanese civilian population?

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Out of interest, how would you have brought Japan to surrender at maximum benefit to the Allies (ie; before the Soviets could invade Hokkaido) with minimal bloodshed to the Allied forces and Japanese civilian population?

One could argue that the Soviet entry into the war by itself (with the collapse of Manchuria) has achieved the early surrender, as IJ was trying to get a conditional surrender via then neutral USSR.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

One could argue that the Soviet entry into the war by itself (with the collapse of Manchuria) has achieved the early surrender, as IJ was trying to get a conditional surrender via then neutral USSR.

A fair point, but by this point the signatories of the Potsdam Declaration had decided upon unconditional surrender as the only acceptable outcome.
One could perhaps cite that as a misunderstanding of the Japanese mind, of the need for 'peace with preservation of honour', but would a Japan that did not have a major American occupation and rebuilding post war be the same Japan that we see today? I think it may have resulted in a darker outcome for the Japanese people had the armed forces been allowed to continue running the government.
Has anyone discovered what the conditions were for Japanese surrender that were being put forward before the bombs were deployed?

[HunterICX]

^ Unconditional

the United States called for the unconditional surrender of the Japanese armed forces in the Potsdam Declaration on July 26, 1945—the alternative being "prompt and utter destruction". While publicly stating their intent to fight on to the bitter end, Japan's leaders (the Supreme Council for the Direction of the War, also known as the "Big Six") were privately making entreaties to the still-neutral Soviet Union to mediate peace on terms more favorable to the Japanese.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

^ Unconditional
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan

Sorry, bad phrasing, I meant what terms was Japan putting forward as conditions for its surrender?
Preservation of the Emperor and his role is obviously one (as well as his immunity from trial), but were there any others?