My respect for people's right are being tested

Oberon · 03-15-16, 06:28 PM

I have to admit the Norwegian maximum security cell is rather luxurious, comparing it to the American equivalent. I think the Yanks have a good idea with their Supermax prisons, very utiliterian, minimum exposure to the outside and total solitary confinement.

Gargamel · 03-16-16, 12:05 AM

Let's not hold us up as the model example of corrections systems. Just look at our incarceration rate per capita. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...#United_States and http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/h...l/nn2page1.stm). Something should be said for good rehabilitation, and not just punishment.

The man is allowed to have his grievance, the court will hear it and promptly dismiss it. "But what about your victims" was my first thought too, but if we start to ignore the laws based on personal opinions, then we are no better than him.

Skybird · 03-16-16, 05:51 AM

You cannot avoid to get challenged in life. But you can refuse to waver. So walk on, nothing to see here, nothing important happened...

Catfish · 03-16-16, 08:50 AM

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In the US, prisons are privately owned companies or so i read. is this really true?

Oberon · 03-16-16, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

In the US, prisons are privately owned companies or so i read. is this really true?

Some are.

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As of 2010 about 15% of the inmates under the jurisdiction of the Federal Bureau of Prisons are in facilities operated by third parties. Most of them are in facilities operated by private companies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Prisons

Most though are government run via the FBP.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 03-16-16, 09:13 AM

Breivk has his rights and should be allowed excercise. However I have to admit that I wouldn't mind if key got lost... but that is good reason why I don't have and should never have any say on this kind of issues...

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Originally Posted by Oberon

I have to admit the Norwegian maximum security cell is rather luxurious, comparing it to the American equivalent. I think the Yanks have a good idea with their Supermax prisons, very utiliterian, minimum exposure to the outside and total solitary confinement.

That is good system for prisoners who are in "storage" rather than in "rehabiliiation".

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Some are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Prisons

Most though are government run via the FBP.

What about State prisons and county(?) jails?

EDIT: Just to add. Here in Finland court proceedings are public unless there is good reason for closed doors. This as far I understand it is determined by presiding judge(s).

Oberon · 03-16-16, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

Breivk has his rights and should be allowed excercise. However I have to admit that I wouldn't mind if key got lost... but that is good reason why I don't have and should never have any say on this kind of issues...
That is good system for prisoners who are in "storage" rather than in "rehabiliiation".

Indeed, it's best for the worst of the worst.

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What about State prisons and county(?) jails?

I think they'd probably come under their local state government, not sure if it devolves as far down as county level like the police does though, might well do.

Catfish · 03-16-16, 09:24 AM

Yes, Breivik should have his rights. However in some cases including this one, there could be certain jurisdictional approaches for specific cruelties, without threatening democracy and fair trials in general.

Judge not so you will not be judged, alright, but i agree with kraznyi_oktjabr it's good that I do not have any say in this respect as well..

Jimbuna · 03-17-16, 08:25 AM

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His appeal will likely get turned down, the annoying thing is that the media were allowed in to film the event, thus giving him air time which is the oxygen on which his type thrives. Should have been a closed hearing really, murder appeals should be. Once a murderer is in prison that should be the last we hear of them until the news of their death is announced. They should be forgotten, because every moment that they are remembered is more than they deserve.

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Court cases=Money

Not in the media..
Longer its dragged out the better for some persons rubbing their hands with glee.

In the Media..
This vile person is having a good time making the rest of us feel sick and angry.

Agreed.

03-16-16, 12:05 AM	#2
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	Let's not hold us up as the model example of corrections systems. Just look at our incarceration rate per capita. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...#United_States and http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/h...l/nn2page1.stm). Something should be said for good rehabilitation, and not just punishment. The man is allowed to have his grievance, the court will hear it and promptly dismiss it. "But what about your victims" was my first thought too, but if we start to ignore the laws based on personal opinions, then we are no better than him. __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,766 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Yes, Breivik should have his rights. However in some cases including this one, there could be certain jurisdictional approaches for specific cruelties, without threatening democracy and fair trials in general. Judge not so you will not be judged, alright, but i agree with kraznyi_oktjabr it's good that I do not have any say in this respect as well.. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

03-15-16, 06:28 PM	#1
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	I have to admit the Norwegian maximum security cell is rather luxurious, comparing it to the American equivalent. I think the Yanks have a good idea with their Supermax prisons, very utiliterian, minimum exposure to the outside and total solitary confinement.