Kaesong Industrial Complex in North Korea - Page 2

ikalugin · 02-23-16, 09:02 PM

Somehow Vietnam managed to develop just fine post the Vietnam war. Maybe if ROK was not a military dictatorship till 90s DPRK would have followed the paths of Vietnam and other ex Eastern Block countries.

Oberon · 02-23-16, 09:29 PM

I don't think that even if the ROK had chilled that the DPRK would have mellowed as well, Vietnam and the DPRK are very different nations, their leaders were very different personalities. For Vietnam it was Nguyen V|an Linh who turned Vietnam into a industrialised nation, much as Deng Xiaoping pulled China out of the mud and into the economic world.
With Kim Il Sung, well you just have to look at the name he chose 'Kim become the sun', it's like Stalin 'Man of Steel', and it became that cult of personality which he encouraged even before the Korean war began.
Once you start down that path, it's very hard to come off it again, and it does rather limit your options as you are forced to be the man who the image represents. I think Putin will probably have found that out a few times when his options have been restricted because of his 'hard man' image preventing de-escalation.
The leaders of Vietnam, even Ho Chi Minh, despite his famous reputation, didn't really have that much of a cult of personality around them, which gave the nation more room to maneuver.

ikalugin · 02-24-16, 09:09 AM

Both USSR and PRC got over the whole "cult of personality" thing. Stalin has conducted the industrialisation and under his leadership USSR became the super power.

So I don't think that it is about the starting leadership either, though it may be a factor.

August · 02-24-16, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin

Both USSR and PRC got over the whole "cult of personality" thing.

Yeah one collapsed and the other was forced to embrace capitalism in order to survive.

Jimbuna · 02-25-16, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Yeah one collapsed and the other was forced to embrace capitalism in order to survive.

I think it could be argued there is a lot of merit in that.

Mr Quatro · 02-25-16, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Yeah one collapsed and the other was forced to embrace capitalism in order to survive.

The people were tired of being told what to do, standing in lines for bread, dying of neglect, while the party had access to all of the worlds goods, plus the people were watching American movies that showed us better off.

The people won a better society and got Putin for life lol

mako88sb · 02-25-16, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

The people were tired of being told what to do, standing in lines for bread, dying of neglect, while the party had access to all of the worlds goods, plus the people were watching American movies that showed us better off.

The people won a better society and got Putin for life lol

I believe I read somewhere that Stalin prohibited the movie "The Grapes of Wrath" from being shown there because he didn't want his people to see that even the poorest of Americans could still have their own vehicle.

Onkel Neal · 02-25-16, 05:26 PM

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I believe I read somewhere that Stalin prohibited the movie "The Grapes of Wrath" from being shown there because he didn't want his people to see that even the poorest of Americans could still have their own vehicle.

Yeah, I heard that too. When I first went to Russia, I spent a lot of time explaining how life in the US was close to how it was shown in Hollywood, as far as cars, clothes, and food. Houses, I explained not everyone lived in a big ol' 6 bedroom house like it seemed all families did in the movies. But, houses in general, Americans had, whereas I never saw any houses in Moscow, just apartments.

02-23-16, 09:02 PM	#16
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Somehow Vietnam managed to develop just fine post the Vietnam war. Maybe if ROK was not a military dictatorship till 90s DPRK would have followed the paths of Vietnam and other ex Eastern Block countries. __________________ Grumpy as always.

02-24-16, 09:09 AM	#18
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Both USSR and PRC got over the whole "cult of personality" thing. Stalin has conducted the industrialisation and under his leadership USSR became the super power. So I don't think that it is about the starting leadership either, though it may be a factor. __________________ Grumpy as always.

02-23-16, 09:29 PM	#17
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	I don't think that even if the ROK had chilled that the DPRK would have mellowed as well, Vietnam and the DPRK are very different nations, their leaders were very different personalities. For Vietnam it was Nguyen V\|an Linh who turned Vietnam into a industrialised nation, much as Deng Xiaoping pulled China out of the mud and into the economic world. With Kim Il Sung, well you just have to look at the name he chose 'Kim become the sun', it's like Stalin 'Man of Steel', and it became that cult of personality which he encouraged even before the Korean war began. Once you start down that path, it's very hard to come off it again, and it does rather limit your options as you are forced to be the man who the image represents. I think Putin will probably have found that out a few times when his options have been restricted because of his 'hard man' image preventing de-escalation. The leaders of Vietnam, even Ho Chi Minh, despite his famous reputation, didn't really have that much of a cult of personality around them, which gave the nation more room to maneuver.