How can the UK do this sort of thing!!!

Catfish · 02-12-16, 09:19 AM

What has been added, in that sum?

The protection against outlandish seceret sevrice trying to kill him?

kraznyi_oktjabr · 02-12-16, 09:39 AM

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Another thing about the Swedish judicial system-Which I have been told by my Cousin and by reading and watching educational program about this

In Sweden you are, when arrested, guilty until proven not guilty

Markus

Are you serious? If you get charged with murder its your responsibility to prove yourself innocent rather than prosecutor proving that you are guilty? If that is the case then I really understand Mr. Assange's reluctance of facing Swedish "justice system"...

Sailor Steve · 02-12-16, 10:50 AM

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Are you serious? If you get charged with murder its your responsibility to prove yourself innocent rather than prosecutor proving that you are guilty? If that is the case then I really understand Mr. Assange's reluctance of facing Swedish "justice system"...

Reminds me of a line I heard in a show recently: "Of course he's guilty! Otherwise he wouldn't be a suspect!"

I have to agree. Any system that requires the suspect to prove his innocence has nothing to do with justice. We have enough problems with innocent people being found "guilty" as it is.

Tchocky · 02-12-16, 11:30 AM

I.....don't believe that's how the Swedish system works.

Betonov · 02-12-16, 11:36 AM

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I.....don't believe that's how the Swedish system works.

Me neither.
If our half balkan judicial quagmire gives you ''innocent until proven guilty'' then Sweden should he at least equall if not better than that.

Dowly · 02-12-16, 12:24 PM

I think mapuc might have misunderstood it.

Both in Sweden and in Finland, it does matter how publicized a case and the perps are. For example, 6-7 months ago, woman was sexually assaulted in Finland. She was taken hold of by two, while one was putting his finger in her you-know-what. The case was highly publicized and eventually, because of that their sentences were lowered.

****ing awesome justice system is it not?

Hell, in Finland, "life sentence" is about 14-15 years, in some cases it has been longer but usually that's the "life sentence" you get in Finland.

It's a joke.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 02-12-16, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

I think mapuc might have misunderstood it.

I really hope so. I had always assumed our system's were quite similar.

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Both in Sweden and in Finland, it does matter how publicized a case and the perps are. For example, 6-7 months ago, woman was sexually assaulted in Finland. She was taken hold of by two, while one was putting his finger in her you-know-what. The case was highly publicized and eventually, because of that their sentences were lowered.

****ing awesome justice system is it not?

Yeah, my faith in our judiciary is sinking.

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Hell, in Finland, "life sentence" is about 14-15 years, in some cases it has been longer but usually that's the "life sentence" you get in Finland.

It's a joke.

Yes, and most incredible thing is that there is always "the second chance". About ten years ago there was case of (not-so-)gentleman who was on police's custody on suspicion of muder for third time. He got conviction of murder, was pardoned, commited another within month, got convicted , pardoned and (according to police) commited anaother murder within a week...

I didn't follow that case any further so don't know if he was convicted or not.

This system is a joke!

Platapus · 02-12-16, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Reminds me of a line I heard in a show recently: "Of course he's guilty! Otherwise he wouldn't be a suspect!"

Perhaps it was Edwin Meese, AG 85-88, who said

"...But the thing is, you don`t have many suspects who are innocent of a crime. That`s contradictory. If a person is innocent of a crime, then he is not a suspect."

in the words of Joe Biden at the time the highest ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Commitee,

"My God. . . . Ed Meese`s answer is the overwhelming proof of why we need Miranda . . . because there are people like Ed Meese who believe that anyone who`s a suspect is guilty until proven innocent. My God, this guy`s beginning to worry me."

Maybe Meese can be Trump's AG?

mapuc · 02-12-16, 04:20 PM

Dowly is correct

It is me who must have misunderstood something.

Markus

vienna · 02-12-16, 06:48 PM

IIRC, wasn't Ed Meese forced to resign over his involvement in scandals involving highly unethical, and possibly criminal activities while in office? But of course, since he was a Regan acolyte, and there fore above the law, he wasn't really a suspect, was he, since by his own definition, he was automatically guilty...

<O>

Platapus · 02-13-16, 08:07 AM

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IIRC, wasn't Ed Meese forced to resign over his involvement in scandals involving highly unethical, and possibly criminal activities while in office? But of course, since he was a Regan acolyte, and there fore above the law, he wasn't really a suspect, was he, since by his own definition, he was automatically guilty...

<O>

But as Ronnie said "if Edwin Meese is not a good man, then there are no good men".

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