Windows 10: What You Need to Know

[Fubar2Niner]

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/50003/..._campaign=ttcs


Nice one MS

[STEED]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

When your computer becomes nothing but a chore it is time to find something else to do.

Do a 5000 piece jigsaw.

Originally Posted by Fubar2Niner

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/50003/..._campaign=ttcs


Nice one MS

http://news.yahoo.com/microsoft-edge...022542347.html


MS....Nah, can't be.

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by Fubar2Niner

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/50003/..._campaign=ttcs


Nice one MS

I write that one off as a simple software bug, not a designed invasion of privacy. Note that Microsoft owned the problem and said they'd fix it. That is very different from their attitude on their data mining operation, which is "That's what we do. You could always buy an abacus."

It's important that we separate the actual purposeful invasion of user rights from the accidental bugs. This is one of the latter and I'm not worried about it.

I would never use Edge anyway. It's a cell phone app. It's a crippled version of Internet Exploder, and even that is not the best choice of browser to use if you're wanting control over your browsing experience.

My computer is not and never will be a cell phone and I won't be running cell phone apps on it. Edge is just a trojan horse to soften up your resistance to that sub-operating system formerly known as Metro, which is a step back to the DOS days where if you didn't know how to operate a program it didn't help you find out. Metro apps stare at you with no cues visible or available, daring you to do something stupid. Do something smart. Close the cursed thing and load up a real computer app.

[DragonRider]

Firefox Its the one I use

[Catfish]

"The likes of Google (especially the increasingly ubiquitous Chrome browser, increasingly a hub for their services and data tracking) Facebook and Twitter are already snaffling up untold amounts of information about us, while your smartphone is essentially a pocket-sized vault of saleable information about you, and for better or worse the majority of users appear to be taking that in their stride."

"But it becomes something else when the very infrastructure of your computer is keeping tabs on most everything you do and then selling it on to unknown third-parties, as well as potentially storing it on someone else’s servers forever."


This Win 10 is spyware, disguised as an operating system. It can and will disable programs it thinks are illegal or harmful, or whatever some self-appointed microsoft priest regards as such, and it will give your data to the police, government or whatever, if they see fit. It is possible they transfer everything already, without being asked.
I had installed Tor browser just for tests. After two days it was gone, uninstalled. But not by me.

They give all your data to advertising companies already anyway. And those may either bomb you with advertisements, or maybe sue you for using some software they think is illegal, or not to their taste, found on your PC.

They also release your buying habits and what you buy, and how (use a credit?) to other banks. So don't be astonished if you do not get a credit next time, for they may regard you as unreliable or just too poor. It has not have anything to do with reality.

And they clearly state that.


I have made a lot of MCPs, and an MCSE, but i now think i will turn away. This is too much. I never used Linux much before, and the eavesdropping via browser etc. will of course be present as ever. But you got to draw a line.

This policy violates everything i have learned, believe in, and cherish.

[DragonRider]

^Yes That happens Dam it^

[Rockin Robbins]

Attention, all of you with Windows 10. I'd like your cooperation in performing an experiment for the benefit of all of us. You know that Windows reserves the right to take inventory of your machine and if it finds anything it doesn't like, it reserves the right to delete it from your machine. Well, maybe you DON'T know that, but you do now.

I have unconfirmed reports that this is not just a right they claim but an action they take--to delete software from Windows 10 machines for any reason they choose. Imagine if Silent Hunter 4 had its way and not only would it fail to start if the SecuROM scanner found Microsoft Process Explorer on your machine, suppose it deleted Process Explorer without telling you and then started up the game. Would you tolerate that? I wouldn't.

I would like a few of you Windows 10 explorers to install the Tor Browser.

I used Tor Browser back in the day when Spotify wasn't in the United States. I wanted to know what it was all about so I used Tor Browser to tunnel anonymously through the Internet to Birmingham, England, where my connection first hit the light of day. Spotify checked my IP address, saw I was in Birmingham and dutifully downloaded to my machine in Florida, USA. I was using Spotify 18 months before it came to the US and when it became available here I already had my user name and saved playlists. I just "moved" to the US!

Tor Browser is a totally secure browser that blocks all sharing of your information with anyone under nearly all circumstances. Those circumstances that could expose you are told on the website. They specifically say that Torrent Servers are famous for giving up your IP address, be very careful of what browser extensions you use, don't use Flash or Java--things like that. The important thing is that the Tor Browser is not harmful, contains no malware and is of no hazard to you or others. You don't have to even run it if you don't want to.

Now just leave it there without even running it. I have heard that there's a distinct possibility that Tor Browser is on Windows 10's nasty list, just as Process Explorer is on Silent Hunter 4's nasty list. Except that indications are that Windows 10 is uninstalling and deleting Tor Browser from user machines without user consent and even without any notification that Tor Browser is being removed.

If you're willing to participate, please post and let's see what happens in a week! Should be interesting.

[HW3]

Downloaded and installed Tor 5.5 today. Used default install and security settings. I will keep an eye on it and report back.

[Sailor Steve]

Downloaded and installed.

[Catfish]

Have reinstalled Tor, let's wait and see..

[vienna]

I've installed Tor on a couple of tablets for others in Win 10 since Win 10 came out (and installed the Win 10 upgrade on others with Tor already loaded) and none of them has reported any problems wit Tor or with Win 10 uninstalling or crippling Tor...

BTW, if anyone is so concerned about spying or drawing unwarranted attention to your machines, I will tell you what I tell others who install Tor: the very act of installation may draw attention to you since Tor is widely known and believed to be a means of access to dubious websites and as a means of disseminating data and other content others, including governments, may consider to be of less than legal nature. It is a bit akin to raising a red flag for some who would be interested in knowing who you are and what you are doing; the alleged confidentiality of Tor has reportedly been breached by parties in the employ of some of the security establishments some Tor users seek to avoid; caveat emptor...


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[Rockin Robbins]

Yes, if you're wanting to anonymously do evil deeds with Tor, be warned that the FBI broke the Silk Road case by busting Tor. If you just want to cover your tracks while doing normal stuff, then Tor is a good choice. But for skulduggery, you can assume you'll be found out, probably sooner rather than later.

Where Tor (on higher security settings than you would use) becomes useful is in allowing people in censored countries, including but not limited to China, the Middle East, North Korea, to access the uncensored web.

[DragonRider]

In answer to your question yes Windows 10 will try to remove items it don’t want you to run or
It will prevent these programs running as it should.
So here is a list that I myself have found to ether disappear of fail when running.

(1) Light Scribe used by Nero software
(2) 8 gadget pack used to return the Gadgets back to your desktop (although if you reinstall it will work and windows 10 will keep telling you it is using too many resources)
(3) Epson Scanner controller program
(4) GeForce Experience (windows 10 will cause all types of problems with this one)
(5) Big Fish Games (windows 10 will try to keep shutting this down while its running)

I don’t have many programs running on my system so I can’t comment on any others you might be running.

[andy_311]

I got Tor Browser installed and is set as my default browser had it now for 5 months.In my setting it says the browser is unavailable but it still installed and running.

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by DragonRider

In answer to your question yes Windows 10 will try to remove items it don’t want you to run or
It will prevent these programs running as it should.

How low we have fallen when we think an operating system "should" prevent programs it doesn't like, especially for non-security reasons, from running. There was a time when computing and freedom were nearly synonymous terms. Operating systems were to run and organize the software we installed. It was the job of virus scanners and anti-malware programs to identify malicious programs and give us the choice of removing them, item by item.

Now we expect operating systems to have enemies lists, not even related to legitimate security issues, to remove from your computer. If you work for a corporation with highly sensitive information and choose to use Tor to protect trade secrets you are responsiblew for, Windows may recognize Tor as and enemy to delete it, just as Silent Hunter 4 recognizes Microsoft Process Explorer as an enemy (actually the product of an enemy programmer) and deletes it, in spite of the fact that it has no bearing on software piracy at all. A personal grudge became an intrusion on our freedom and ownership rights to our hardware.

I say operating systems should never remove software from our system. Remember when Apple was under attack when they had a contract dispute with an iOS developer and deleted his software from all iPhones? Apple was forced to back down and pledge never to do that again.

Now we have Microsoft users hypnotically chanting "protect us from your enemies, oh Mi Cro Soft!" I will not cede my ownership rights to a corporation for the purpose of receiving an operating system. They have no right to convert my property to their use without due compensation. I'm willing to negotiate, but my price will be very high. A one-time agreement for one machine will run them about $10,000. That's fair.