This is why I believe we need a change in the attitude of our police departments

[GoldenRivet]

personally i think the problem is that a majority of street thugs dont have a sense of personal responsibility and would just as soon shoot you in the head and jack $17 out of your pocket as look at you.

this lady's house can be fixed, as can her decision as to what type of person she associates herself with

sorry about your house, but they cops arent just going to go away because of your best attempt at a Jedi mind trick "this is not the house your looking for" or "the bad guy isnt here" yeah... good luck with that. im sure the guy was considered well armed and dangerous and thats why they took the precautions / actions that they did.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

this lady's house can be fixed, as can her decision as to what type of person she associates herself with

Unless the dumb a$$es go to the wrong address. I have trouble dealing with any institution in this town because they all have some version of an old address for this business, and none of the dumb suckers recognize the current address. Century Link think's we're at Savage St, Duke Energy thinks its Walnut, the City thinks it's something else. LMFAO It's been the current address for at least ten years now. Bureaucracy at it's finest!

Personally, I'd dress Police up in Boy Scout uniforms. Shorts and all, start giving them merit badges for when they help people. ...and why does the USN need cammies? LOL

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

personally i think the problem is that a majority of street thugs dont have a sense of personal responsibility and would just as soon shoot you in the head and jack $17 out of your pocket as look at you.

Personally, I think a large part of the problem is people actually allowing this to keep giving cops rights, without limits.

The way I see it, you can't have it both ways. Every time some cop gets shot or outgunned, the cops use it as a pretext to get more guns and more pre-emptive rights. That may be an over-reaction but at least it is somewhat justified.

But if you do that, is it not only right for them to have their rights reduced every time something like this happens? What else will stop these people from stepping further and further from the line? Their consciences? Not when they are so self-justifying and the public condones it, I think.

[Buddahaid]

And you personally would feel OK entering the house where you suspect a known violent criminal is hiding while doing your less than $50,000 a year job just to find out if he's there without all the gear?

I wouldn't I don't think you would either.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

And you personally would feel OK entering the house where you suspect a known violent criminal is hiding while doing your less than $50,000 a year job just to find out if he's there without all the gear?

I wouldn't I don't think you would either.

If you don't feel like doing that, don't be a police officer. Being a cop means taking some risks, not wrecking everything because they are afraid of a relatively minuscule danger.

[nikimcbee]

Great post Platapus.
I agree with most of what you're saying. I really feel like we are turning into a police state. It seems like they (the police) use the SWAT waaaay to often.


They need to have some sort of external check and balances that holds them accountable when they make very poor decisions.

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[Buddahaid]

"The law enforcement agencies engaged in a 20-hour standoff, despite the homeowner insisting he was not in the house. "

Stand off? Was the homeowner in the house the whole time with the children? Just what other crimes had the suspect been involved in? What was the homeowners relation to the suspect?

The article leaves much unsaid while implying a police over reaction.

[razark]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

The article leaves much unsaid while implying a police over reaction.

Indeed. I would like some more information before making a judgement on this.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

"The law enforcement agencies engaged in a 20-hour standoff, despite the homeowner insisting he was not in the house. "

Stand off? Was the homeowner in the house the whole time with the children? Just what other crimes had the suspect been involved in? What was the homeowners relation to the suspect?

The article leaves much unsaid while implying a police over reaction.

Speaking hypothetically, what kind of circumstances will cause you to forgive this excessive use of power which didn't even work?