Windows 10: What You Need to Know

[Jimbuna]

Took nearly an hour and a half for the installation of the latest W10 update and noticed Edge had been made a default programme as well as my PDF reader and the printer icon ceased working.

Soon sorted out the above but a little worrying to see that Spybot Anti-Beacon had a few services switched off....put those to rights too and also blocked the CEIP scheduled tasks.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Took nearly an hour and a half for the installation of the latest W10 update and noticed Edge had been made a default programme as well as my PDF reader and the printer icon ceased working.

Soon sorted out the above but a little worrying to see that Spybot Anti-Beacon had a few services switched off....put those to rights too and also blocked the CEIP scheduled tasks.

Edge is horrible. Search in the box lower left hand corner IE and you will find the IE that we are familiar with. Pin to your task bar. If you use IE.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Edge is horrible. Search in the box lower left hand corner IE and you will find the IE that we are familiar with. Pin to your task bar. If you use IE.

Currently using Google Chrome, Chris.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Currently using Google Chrome, Chris.

Understood. I primarily use IE as most of my programs and sites I pay bills require IE. Also, I tire of knowing the ins/outs of each type of browser and OS, etc. I try to simplify my life. It is complicated enough!

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Understood. I primarily use IE as most of my programs and sites I pay bills require IE. Also, I tire of knowing the ins/outs of each type of browser and OS, etc. I try to simplify my life. It is complicated enough!

Rgr that matey.

[Rockin Robbins]

I'm using Firefox and an add-in called IE Tab 2, which will encapsule an IE windows safely within the confines of Firefox for those sites which require IE. IE Tab 2 will even memorize sites that need it and automatically load them into an IE Tab whenever you visit the site.

One thing I hate about IE is that it will remember your passwords. Then any hacker or intruder with actual access to your machine can start up IE on your machine and all your passwords are just handed to them gratis. They are entirely unprotected. Same is true of Chrome. Not true of Firefox.

I can let you on my machine and you have no access to my passwords. They are all protected by a master password.

@Debbie: a botnet will run on your machine just fine and not inconvenience you a bit. They automatically sense when you are at the keyboard and ratchet back to less than 5% or 10% of CPU resources so you can't even tell they're there. But when you're not at the keyboard, the botnet software, which is giving you no trouble at all, is busilly passing out spam to all your friends and contacts, as well as helping distribute stolen movies, software, porn, etc. Some malware, like Comodo firewall, actually perform a service for you while performing all the above slimey actions when you're not aware. Does that justify their use?

Just because something works and is no trouble is not sufficient reason to say that the application or operating system is okay. If Windows 10 were the best working operating system on the planet it would be unacceptable because of property conversion, privacy issues, peer to peer use of your computer and internet access to conduct Microsoft's business at your expense, lack of respect for user choices, total ownership of all files and software on your machine, unspecified data collection with twice daily encrypted uploads of large amounts of information to Microsoft, unrestricted use of your microphone and webcam at all times your computer is on (you want that in your daughter's bedroom at night?), updates that are not updates but a vector for even more spyware officially sponsored by the computer company who should be protecting our interests, not preying upon our ignorance or misplaced trust.

Ease and effectiveness of operation can be sweeteners for a trojan horse. In the case of Windows 10, that is exactly what they are. Just a spoonful of sugar makes the medicine (or poison) go down.

[AVGWarhawk]

Sigh....

Shut the computer off and pull the plug to be sure.....

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-au/w...ra-privacy-faq

The camera can be shut off allowing no app to be able to use it. Cortana as well for using the microphone.

There is always the master switch so your daughter can sleep at night and not be watched!

Cameras have been compromised long before MS decided to use it for Windows Hello that scans the retina.

[STEED]

Microsoft prepares for massive Windows 10 upgrade strategy
Uses updates to enable -- and re-enable -- Windows 7 and 8.1 PCs for next move: auto-downloads of Windows 10 upgrade bits

http://www.pcworld.com/article/30126...-strategy.html

Charming.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by STEED

http://www.pcworld.com/article/30126...-strategy.html

Charming.

Just like the other OS of past....MS stopped supporting them. They died a slow death. Now it is a forced execution.

[Rockin Robbins]

NOT just like operating systems of the past. No other operating system has become its own adware and malware server. Only Microsoft knows its new product is so unlovable, so decrepit, so against the interests of its customers that it has had to redefine the words customer, menu, update, upgrade, privacy, purchase and customer choice.

Look, who's a nicer guy than Leo Laporte? Who's more learned about the state of the art in multiple operating systems and who communicates better? Just about nobody, that's who. Taking part of your day to listen to what he has to say is never the worst possible expenditure of your time. So what does a much nicer guy than myself have to say about the situation?



If he's concerned then I'm not a fruitcake. It shocked me that he used the same example of Holland before World War II as I have. But he was so much nicer about it, while saying a good deal more than I have.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

NOT just like operating systems of the past. No other operating system has become its own adware and malware server.

Read again what I posted. It has nothing to do with how the OS operates. It concerned the method of forcing out an old OS as compared to letting it die a slow death from non-support.

You have beaten your point to exhaustion.

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Read again what I posted. It has nothing to do with how the OS operates. It concerned the method of forcing out an old OS as compared to letting it die a slow death from non-support.

You have beaten your point to exhaustion.

My point is entirely unrebutted. I'm just releasing information as I find it to demonstrate that my opinion is not only mine, but shared among the best respected minds in the computer press. And, of course, I release new information as I find it.

[STEED]

Just done my Oct/Nov updates and checked Dec updates for Win8.1 got nine classed as important and four as optional, ran a search and MS trying on!

Important updates
KB3112336 Update turns out to be another Win10 being pushed.

Next two seem odd, MS classes them for Win7.
KB3108381
KB 3109103

Same for these two optional updates
KB3102429
KB3112148

Any how wrote them all down and will check the lot out in Jan to see what I will allow on my PC.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Just like the other OS of past....MS stopped supporting them. They died a slow death. Now it is a forced execution.

Are you getting paid by Microsoft, or why do you distort things so constantly in here? Stopping to support an OS, and trying evertyhing to bypass people'S defences that refuse to get the replacement but want to stick to the old one, are TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS. People want Microsoft to accept their No as a No - and MS totally , impertinently refuses to do so, like a burglar does not accept a locked door, but breaks it open. You could as well claim that kicking in a door with heavy boots, and politely knocking on a door one time, asking, are the same. MS does not take a No as a No, that is where their behaviopr oversteps the line to impettince, and imo: crime. Now get it, finally.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by STEED

http://www.pcworld.com/article/30126...-strategy.html

Charming.

I told before that best thing is to leave W7 updates behind - forever.

Search for a patch collection download bringing a newly installed W7 to standard SP1 from 2011. Then find another patch collection that includesthe patches form then until November 2015 ( most likely find), or preferrably early 2014 (difficult to find). And use exclusively these to update W7 if you reinstall it.

Note that such collections usually get updated by the maintainer of these collections. So if you wait another couple of days, the critical items of December Black Thursday will be included. I would not want these anymore.

Keep your notes on critical KB updates from the past, since Spring 2014 (that roughly when MS started its coups to overthrow users' freedom of choice and freedom to reject). If you ever update from these downloaded patch collections, have these critical numbers excluded from the installer. This is a German download site, pick the third line of download icons (W7), left icon that reads "Vollversion" (full version - the one to the right is just an update from an earlier library version) These collections still are 2.58.1 at the time I write this and still do not include the December malware.

An SP1 pack must be installed before this, but should be easier to find via Google.

Stop caring to ever switch on Windows Update for W7 again. Understand that you are now under attack by Microsoft- and they will not stop that soon. Its no ideal solution - its the lesser of two evils only. Thats why I recomend to go dual boot, to reduce the risk from being exposed to all the non-MS threats out there.