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Spraug · 11-20-15, 02:12 PM

Interesting. Considering the different mods we're running (I've never played RFB), it may be in the original game. If enemy crew works like the boat crew, it may be that the game just randomly came up with someone with gunnery 90% or something.

I guess it's realistic that 20mm are dangerous, but to be honest I've never had any success with my 20mm or even 40mm on enemy ships. Since I never go up against planes, they are just very useless to me.

Still 3'500m ... just imagine what this guy can do to airplanes that are much more fragile.

rein1705 · 11-20-15, 05:57 PM

Hey fellas. greetings from the S-26.
i play TMO 2.6 and I've ran across freighters armed to the teeth
and,to within varying digress their good shots.
I've had my boat shot up a few times by charging in too close to a Maru.
Check out this German Q-Ship i found in the Sulu sea. Though she was obviously armed with deck guns.

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TorpX · 11-20-15, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Spraug

I guess it's realistic that 20mm are dangerous, but to be honest I've never had any success with my 20mm or even 40mm on enemy ships. Since I never go up against planes, they are just very useless to me.

Imo, 20mm, or other small caliber guns have exaggerated capabilities in the game. They should be dangerous in the sense they can kill personnel and damage things, but they should not be able to tear our boats apart.

If I were doing a major rework of the game, uber artillery would be on my short list of things to change. If small caliber shells were so effective, cruisers wouldn't need 6 or 8 inch guns.

However, there are limitations in the game models which make a realistic simulation of these things difficult. As you found out, shells do not loose the ability to penetrate targets at longer range. I'm not sure if Japanese merchantmen had AP 20mm ammunition, or not. Seems questionable to me.

I guess I can forgive Ubisoft for not putting too much effort into guns and ballistics, in a submarine game, but the situation is not ideal.

Admiral Halsey · 11-21-15, 12:13 AM

I'd suggest just nuking AA gun damage altogether but then you have to mess with the planes armor otherwise you're never gonna knock any of them out of the sky.

TorpX · 11-21-15, 08:09 PM

Well, I understand what the RFB team wanted to do. Skippers should be deterred from sailing through a storm of 20mm fire. Otoh, a handful of small shells should not trash your sub. There has to be a middle ground where they can disable/damage/wound, but not really sink your boat. I think they went too far. Not sure exactly how to fix it.

In the meantime, I give armed ships a wide berth.

Armistead · 11-21-15, 08:14 PM

I came on a armed sampan hitting me with machine gun fire, before I knew it getting mass damage, damn near sunk me before I got him sunk

TorpX · 11-21-15, 08:33 PM

Did he have 20mm guns, or something smaller?

In any case, I believe it. I've had 2 S-boat careers terminated this way. Not fun!

Spraug · 11-22-15, 07:16 AM

Reading your stories, I realize I actually got away lucky.

11-20-15, 02:12 PM	#1
Spraug Helmsman Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 105 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Aha! Interesting. Considering the different mods we're running (I've never played RFB), it may be in the original game. If enemy crew works like the boat crew, it may be that the game just randomly came up with someone with gunnery 90% or something. I guess it's realistic that 20mm are dangerous, but to be honest I've never had any success with my 20mm or even 40mm on enemy ships. Since I never go up against planes, they are just very useless to me. Still 3'500m ... just imagine what this guy can do to airplanes that are much more fragile. __________________ Playing: Windows 10 - Steam - Silent Hunter 4 v1.5 1_TriggerMaru_Overhaul_2-5 1_TMO_25_small_patch RSRDC_TMO_V502 RSRDC_V5xx_Patch1 SCAF for RSRDC v502_2.0 IJN_Radar_Fix_2

11-20-15, 05:57 PM	#2
rein1705 Samurai Navy Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: somewhere in the Past. Posts: 582 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 0	Hey fellas. greetings from the S-26. i play TMO 2.6 and I've ran across freighters armed to the teeth and,to within varying digress their good shots. I've had my boat shot up a few times by charging in too close to a Maru. Check out this German Q-Ship i found in the Sulu sea. Though she was obviously armed with deck guns.a... __________________ "Diesel Pig" Not so long ago...

11-21-15, 12:13 AM	#4
Admiral Halsey Best Admiral in the USN Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: USS Enterprise (CV-6) Posts: 1,740 Downloads: 317 Uploads: 0	I'd suggest just nuking AA gun damage altogether but then you have to mess with the planes armor otherwise you're never gonna knock any of them out of the sky. __________________ "This is not a peace. It is an armistice for twenty years" - Ferdinand Foch on the Treaty of Versailles.(Boy was he ever right.)

11-21-15, 08:09 PM	#5
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	Well, I understand what the RFB team wanted to do. Skippers should be deterred from sailing through a storm of 20mm fire. Otoh, a handful of small shells should not trash your sub. There has to be a middle ground where they can disable/damage/wound, but not really sink your boat. I think they went too far. Not sure exactly how to fix it. In the meantime, I give armed ships a wide berth. Last edited by TorpX; 11-21-15 at 08:31 PM. Reason: left out work NOT from 3rd sentence. D'oh!

11-21-15, 08:14 PM	#6
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	I came on a armed sampan hitting me with machine gun fire, before I knew it getting mass damage, damn near sunk me before I got him sunk __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

11-21-15, 08:33 PM	#7
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	Did he have 20mm guns, or something smaller? In any case, I believe it. I've had 2 S-boat careers terminated this way. Not fun!

11-22-15, 07:16 AM	#8
Spraug Helmsman Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 105 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Wow! Reading your stories, I realize I actually got away lucky. __________________ Playing: Windows 10 - Steam - Silent Hunter 4 v1.5 1_TriggerMaru_Overhaul_2-5 1_TMO_25_small_patch RSRDC_TMO_V502 RSRDC_V5xx_Patch1 SCAF for RSRDC v502_2.0 IJN_Radar_Fix_2