Terrorist attack in Paris, France - Page 5

CaptainRamius · 11-15-15, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Question: is this WWIII already?

Never know, countries are already air striking ISIS, this could turn into another Desert Storm, or worse.

EDIT: I just posted a thread talking about the Paris attacks. Oops

CaptainRamius · 11-15-15, 12:45 PM

Not sure if anyone knows, but several Kalashnikovs were found in a SEAT near the suburbs. BBC says that some attackers might have gotten away.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34825080

Eichhörnchen · 11-15-15, 12:48 PM

I heard on Radio4 this afternoon that it's quite possible a NATO intervention could be invoked under the Treaty terms.

CaptainRamius · 11-15-15, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Eichhörnchen

I heard on Radio4 this afternoon that it's quite possible a NATO intervention could be invoked under the Treaty terms.

That'd be pretty serious then. Maybe a WW3 will happen...

CaptainRamius · 11-15-15, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Eichhörnchen

I heard on Radio4 this afternoon that it's quite possible a NATO intervention could be invoked under the Treaty terms.

NATO has already technically intervened, using US air strikes and some troops. But you're quite right, maybe more NATO nations will become involved.

u crank · 11-15-15, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

IMO if in the last several centuries they havent been able to live in peace with their own relatives, in their own countries because of sectarian violence over who is the rightful heir to the throne. What in blues blazes would make me think they're going to live peace in mine?

You'll get no argument here. The question is why are we, the West continually interfering in their affairs. The relationship between Western nations and Turkey, Syria, Saudi Arabia and extremist groups in Iraq and Syria is mind boggling. Who side are we on?

CaptainRamius · 11-15-15, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

Police firefight (not graphic)

Wow, that's impressive. I'm suprised someone stuck around to videotape that. Or was it a news reporter?

CaptainRamius · 11-15-15, 01:51 PM

It's pretty inevitable. NATO will do something.

CaptainRamius · 11-15-15, 01:54 PM

My god. My profile pic looks horrible. Help!

Tchocky · 11-15-15, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

But lets not forget that entire region has, since the time of muhammed's death, been swimming in tribal anarchy. IMO if in the last several centuries they havent been able to live in peace with their own relatives, in their own countries because of sectarian violence over who is the rightful heir to the throne.

Rubbish! Europe has been no different. The relative peace since 1945 is certainly an achievement, but it doesn't make us perfect.

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What in blues blazes would make me think they're going to live peace in mine? They have just brought with them their centuries old history and culture of violence.

That's trash. It's a lot more complicated.

Oberon · 11-15-15, 02:10 PM

France is within its right to invoke Article 5, but as was pointed out repeatedly by Skybird back during the Ukraine crisis, Article 5 is vague in what it terms as 'assistance', for example the UK could send one Apache helicopter as assistance, or just term its ongoing mission in Iraq as assistance to the French forces. Turkey would probably state that it's already assisting by taking Syrian refugees or something like that, and the US is already, as we know, attacking targets in Syria and Iraq.

I think this might inspire a heavier involvement in Syria and Iraq but it's not going to change much of the situation on the ground because that's in the hands of the Russian/Syrian/Iranian/Iraqi forces who are actually doing the fighting on the ground, as well as the odd special forces unit from the US, UK or even France which is there unofficially.

I don't think there's too much that can be changed with the current situation without further destabilising an already destabilised region.

Rockstar · 11-15-15, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by u crank

You'll get no argument here. The question is why are we, the West continually interfering in their affairs. The relationship between Western nations and Turkey, Syria, Saudi Arabia and extremist groups in Iraq and Syria is mind boggling. Who side are we on?

Pretty dang hard if ask me to establish any influence in a region where the norm is tribal anarchy, short periods of central government followed by more tribal anarchy. Frankly I sometimes think that all the west can do to establish any political will in a region filled with a violent sectarian society. Is by assisting one tribe or sect over the other. Even if west abandoned ship I'd wager big money they would hold the course and keep on keeping on killing each other off.

Dowly · 11-15-15, 02:30 PM

Some window licker(s) thought it'd be funny to play with firecrackers near the spot where people go pay their respects to the victims.

https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/...53369010360320

CaptainRamius · 11-15-15, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Some window licker(s) thought it'd be funny to play with firecrackers near the spot where people go pay their respects to the victims.

https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/...53369010360320

Holy....

CaptainRamius · 11-15-15, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

Some window licker(s) thought it'd be funny to play with firecrackers near the spot where people go pay their respects to the victims.

https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/...53369010360320

Who in their right mind would do that?

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CaptainRamius Sonar Guy Join Date: May 2014 Location: In shallow waters Posts: 388 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Not sure if anyone knows, but several Kalashnikovs were found in a SEAT near the suburbs. BBC says that some attackers might have gotten away. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34825080

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CaptainRamius Sonar Guy Join Date: May 2014 Location: In shallow waters Posts: 388 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	It's pretty inevitable. NATO will do something.

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11-15-15, 02:10 PM	#71
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	France is within its right to invoke Article 5, but as was pointed out repeatedly by Skybird back during the Ukraine crisis, Article 5 is vague in what it terms as 'assistance', for example the UK could send one Apache helicopter as assistance, or just term its ongoing mission in Iraq as assistance to the French forces. Turkey would probably state that it's already assisting by taking Syrian refugees or something like that, and the US is already, as we know, attacking targets in Syria and Iraq. I think this might inspire a heavier involvement in Syria and Iraq but it's not going to change much of the situation on the ground because that's in the hands of the Russian/Syrian/Iranian/Iraqi forces who are actually doing the fighting on the ground, as well as the odd special forces unit from the US, UK or even France which is there unofficially. I don't think there's too much that can be changed with the current situation without further destabilising an already destabilised region.

11-15-15, 02:30 PM	#73
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,056 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Some window licker(s) thought it'd be funny to play with firecrackers near the spot where people go pay their respects to the victims. https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/...53369010360320