Terrorist attack in Paris, France

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Question: is this WWIII already?

The Pope said that some years ago.

Otherwise I really don't know, what does it take to say-yes now it is WWIII

Markus

[Tchocky]

Eddie - most of the nationalities represented here on GT have deeper ties to France than Russia or Lebanon.

We react stronger when it's our close friends. I mean just read the thread. That's not right or wrong, it's human.

As for Beirut, it's heartbreaking but not as brutally novel and shocking. I don't think I need to explain why.

Again, not right or wrong - human.

Skybird - No. You can't really have WW3 going on in the single most peaceful period in centuries. It's almost impossible by definition.

[eddie]

I understand in a way Tchocky, I guess I am tired of reading and hearing of so many innocent lives being lost around the world. This is a picture of the little girl killed in Afghanistan, her name was Shurkira. She was just a little older then my Granddaughter. She and her family lost their lives because their ethnic and religious backgrounds were different then what the animals who killed them would allow in their part of the world. I can't fathom how anyone could take her life.

[Oberon]

Good point eddie, and well made, but unfortunately that is human nature. If one was to compare the daily deaths in the Middle East to our days of relative peace periodically shattered by a brutal massacre, well...there's a reason that so many people have left Syria...

[Bubblehead1980]

This is sad, just incredibly sad.Makes me sad, yet angry as this did not have to happen.For the world, was 9/11 not enough? Was the London bombings not enough? Was Charlie Hebdo not enough? When will the civilized world understand it is our tolerance as a society and "political correctness" killing us and will be our downfall if we do not combat these savages and their midevil ideology.

Sad truth is France is paying the price for years and years of tolerating these barbarians and their mindset.Now they are a large part of the population(7.5 %) and while not every muslim is a savage, a terrorist etc many who do carry out the violence, many support them in spirit.Some are good people just trying to live yet they do nothing to combat radicalism, to encourage a reformation in Islam to help defeat the savages among them.

Turns out, one of the attackers held a refugee passport which is not shocking! People who voiced concerns over there were as usual called names like xenophobe, racists, heartless etc then not years later, just few months after the invasion began, this happens.Sadly, this will probably happen again and will probably come to the US since our Dear Leader just allowed 10,000 to come here and just a day before the Paris attacks called ISIS "contained" lol Irrational tolerance by society, political correctness, and inept, naive leaders are a deadly combination.

Prayers, condolences etc will not save France or the civilized world, it's to time to get harsh, the defeat the cancer of Islam once and for all.This can be done, just takes the will.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by eddie

I'm a bit confused on something . When over 200 Russian lives were lost by a bomb being placed on board their aircraft, where was the outpouring of sympathy for them? Are we so opposed to the actions of Putin's Govt, that the lives of these innocent Russian tourists don't mean anything? How is this different then when terrorists brought down our planes on 9/11?

When suicide bombers killed 40 people in Beirut just a day before the attacks in Paris, isn't that just as bad as what happened in France? Or do we think everyone in Lebanon is a member of Hezbollah or on the Iranian payroll. Just ordinary folks minding their own business, when their lives were snuffed out in a blinding explosion. Where was the worlds outcry over that?

When bombs go off in Baghdad, killing innocent women and children around a market place, where is our disgust and horror over that?

Just trying to get things in perspective, but end up confused over how we judge the loss of lives in other parts of the world. We rally around France (and its the right thing to do!!) but we are dead silent on other parts of the world, where lives are lost all the time.

I wanted to pray for the family in Afghanistan, whose little 9 year old girl was beheaded by Daesh wannabe's over there, but they were beheaded too. Not one stinking outpouring of sympathy was extended to them from the rest of the world. We are too damned busy picking and choosing whose lives are more important. The West can be so damned conceited at times I think, its pathetic.

Good point Eddie. I hadn't heard of the things you mentioned other than the Russian aircraft that went down last week. I need to listen to the news more but there is never any good news there. It seems life today has no value at all with these crazies . I think they are in the minority though. Sadly, that minority can hurt and kill many as they did last night. As far as the Russian aircraft,The only difference was that Russia didn't know what brought down their aircraft, not that it matters at all. What does matter is the Russian people lost on that aircraft were just as innocent and minding their own business going home .

Deepest sympathies to Russia for the lives lost on their aircraft as well as their families and friends and to Jim as well for the loss of his nephews friend and to France and the families of those lost last night that they can find some healing.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Prayers, condolences etc will not save France or the civilized world, it's to time to get harsh, the defeat the cancer of Islam once and for all.This can be done, just takes the will.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is a perfect example of what the people who blew up and shot up Paris want people to think and say.

Bravo Bubbles for providing a perfect demonstration.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by eddie

I'm a bit confused on something . When over 200 Russian lives were lost by a bomb being placed on board their aircraft, where was the outpouring of sympathy for them? Are we so opposed to the actions of Putin's Govt, that the lives of these innocent Russian tourists don't mean anything? How is this different then when terrorists brought down our planes on 9/11?

When suicide bombers killed 40 people in Beirut just a day before the attacks in Paris, isn't that just as bad as what happened in France? Or do we think everyone in Lebanon is a member of Hezbollah or on the Iranian payroll. Just ordinary folks minding their own business, when their lives were snuffed out in a blinding explosion. Where was the worlds outcry over that?

When bombs go off in Baghdad, killing innocent women and children around a market place, where is our disgust and horror over that?

Just trying to get things in perspective, but end up confused over how we judge the loss of lives in other parts of the world. We rally around France (and its the right thing to do!!) but we are dead silent on other parts of the world, where lives are lost all the time.

I wanted to pray for the family in Afghanistan, whose little 9 year old girl was beheaded by Daesh wannabe's over there, but they were beheaded too. Not one stinking outpouring of sympathy was extended to them from the rest of the world. We are too damned busy picking and choosing whose lives are more important. The West can be so damned conceited at times I think, its pathetic.

Eddie, I don't think it's anyone cares less about Russian lives but people sadly, are used to airliners going down with an average of 100-200 or so people killed.Given airliners are a favorite target of terrorists as history shows, not shocked it was islamic terrorists who brought it down.


The attacks France were a military like operation on Friday night at a theater, bistro, etc and were shocking in not just the type of attacks but the death toll and injuries for "only" 8 people to carry out.

Not everyone will agree with this but I will admit, I am not as moved by death in Beirut, Afghanistan etc unless are my own people.Nothing to do with race etc but those places are pits of the world, have been a long time and nothing changes.The "ordinary" people should have banded together and rose up to stop the madness but they don't, they just keep on following islam and living as they do.All they know, the US is Satan and they hate Israel lol.


Call it conceited but this is the classic clash of civilizations and when one side is stuck in another century and shows no signs, even the so called moderates, of reforming and joining the civilized world, people are bound to just not care.Suppose I can say I lose no sleep when a muslim in Beirut or Afghanistan dies, just does not bother me nor should it anyone.

Islam, especially the radical branch of it that actually manifests itself as terrorism is a cancer they we can and must defeat, just takes the iron will and resolve as the civilized world had to defeat our enemies of the past such as japan, hitler etc. Savage as they were, seem mild compared to islam.

[raymond6751]

Originally Posted by Hitman

I hope this wakes up our governments and they finally understand that we must bring war to those bastards instead of waiting here for them to bring it to us. The ISIS must be annihilated in the ME, not one by one here after they kill hundreds of us

Darn right! But we should also be going after those who support, supply, and buy ISIS oil. They are getting ammo from somewhere. Put a stop to that.
What they always say is "find the money".

Back in 2001 it was 'if you are not with us, then you are against us', so we should follow the trail of incoming support and outgoing oil.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Not everyone will agree with this but I will admit, I am not as moved by death in Beirut, Afghanistan etc unless are my own people.Nothing to do with race etc...


Suppose I can say I lose no sleep when a muslim in Beirut or Afghanistan dies, just does not bother me nor should it anyone.

Get your DNA checked. See if you're human.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Oberon

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is a perfect example of what the people who blew up and shot up Paris want people to think and say.

Bravo Bubbles for providing a perfect demonstration.

This is what I fear most

Thou more terror attacks happens in the west thou more supporters these people will get and you, me and other wil be a very little minorities

And we will have a war of some kind between us and the Islamic world-killing thousands of innocent on both side

I do hope I'm wrong.

Markus

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by u crank

Get your DNA checked. See if you're human.

Plenty human, just not weak.Too many people are conditioned to be weak in our society and not understand the enemy hates you and will murder you, will not show the compassion so many naive and weak minded people.

Imagine if we treated the Japanese and Nazis this way? The war would have ended differently.Also, these people can not be reasoned with in any way shape of form.War is hell, they started and declared this war.We have tried to tolerate them, more than we should.Time to get serious.That means I shut off part of me that should care, I do because have to do.Hopefully we will get a crop of leaders who will act the same and handle these savages with extreme prejudice.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by mapuc

This is what I fear most

Thou more terror attacks happens in the west thou more supporters these people will get and you, me and other wil be a very little minorities

And we will have a war of some kind between us and the Islamic world-killing thousands of innocent on both side

I do hope I'm wrong.

Markus

Sadly, it's the inevitable clash of civilizations rearing it's head again.There is no avoiding it, the weaker tolerance oriented crowd has had their way and all it has done is get a lot of innocent people killed while these savages go from the "JV" team as Dear Leader put it to a force that can and will kill.Over time if unchecked, they could grown even more powerful esp with support from a nuclear iran.Time for action is now, game changes once Iran has nukes, they get a seat at the big boy table and options are even more limited.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Sadly, it's the inevitable clash of civilizations rearing it's head again.There is no avoiding it, the weaker tolerance oriented crowd has had their way and all it has done is get a lot of innocent people killed while these savages go from the "JV" team as Dear Leader put it to a force that can and will kill.Over time if unchecked, they could grown even more powerful esp with support from a nuclear iran.Time for action is now, game changes once Iran has nukes, they get a seat at the big boy table and options are even more limited.

It is you and other I fear and of course these radical Islamic groups

I do not fear a moderate Muslim

There are perhaps between 50-150.000 radical Muslim In the world

But you and other are "building" a hate and fear to wards 1.2 billion Muslims

We do NOT need that-

If you said we should go into full war against these radical religious groups then I would support you 110 % but not in this "war against every Muslim"-crusade.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Oberon

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is a perfect example of what the people who blew up and shot up Paris want people to think and say.

Bravo Bubbles for providing a perfect demonstration.

Thats silly, What they expect people to do or say is either die or convert. They do on the other hand fear what Bubbles said. Just look at what it takes for a king to rule over there.